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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 5260402" data-attributes="member: 18280">Pick up a free internet copy of Labyrinth Lord.  Design a five-level dungeon using the LL system, where each level is progressively more difficult, and where each level has progressively better treasure.  LL is simple system, so creating even a large dungeon is pretty simple.  Make sure that there are plenty of ways to delve deeper, if the players desire.  Make sure to include a wandering monster table.Assume the setting is for starting characters, but use the sorts of monsters for each level as suggested by the book.  Notice how the PCs can quickly get overwhelmed?  Notice how, if the PCs fail to keep some "backbone", wandering monsters can cut off thier escape?  Notice how not everything has loot?Go and read some older D&D modules; pay attention to how finding the loot requires investigation.  Try to incorporate this into your LL dungeon.  Look at your encounters, and decide how investigation can give hints and foreshadowing of what is ahead. Take a close look at what you've created.  This is an analogue of the original D&D setting.  Consider what would happen if your current PCs entered this space with their current attitudes intact.  How would they fare?  How would they have to change their tactics to succeed?Now, translate that LL work to whatever edition of D&D you are currently running.  Will there be a lot of encounters that are not level appropriate?  One hopes so.  But, if the players learn to consider their actions before acting, they should be able to avoid them.  Will you be able to assume a particular wealth by level?  No, but, again, the PCs will get rewarded based on performance in more than min-maxing characters and killing everything that they see.You need to provide consequences for behaviour within the game environment -- both positive consequences for behaviour you wish to reinforce and negative consequences for behaviour you do not wish to reward.Or you should just walk away from it and find a new group.Life is too short for games you are not enjoying.  Even more so if you are also doing the prep work & running the game.  Good luck.RC</blockquote>

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