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Message: <blockquote data-quote="OhGodtheRats" data-source="post: 5412022" data-attributes="member: 71815">Disclaimer: I'm relatively still a Newbian when it comes to D&D. It's a little off-topic, but one of the weird clashes I've found between Old & New D&D seems to be regarding the topic of the Undead.  Sort of.  Check out the logic:1. Rob Heinsoo in multiple interviews talks about when it came to designing 4th edition it was a goal to make it so not every party needed a Cleric. Twas the whole power source thing.  Non-Divine leaders are all over the place now & it's not assumed there's a religious/divine/etc guy running around with the adventurers.  2.  There's a tradition of Clerics (and most Divine Classes) positively owning undead.  When Module/adventure folks sit down to flesh out a story/campaign, invariably you want to included horrible undead.  I mean, hell....it's traditional.1+2= A lot of designers still assume the party must have some source of Radiant damage, despite Divine classes being an increasingly smaller minority when it comes to Class choice.Long story short:  While you don't need a Cleric anymore, the Radiant doom a Divine class brings is sometimes still ASSUMED to be there.Case in point (scarred into my brain) may be last years RPGA Special, where the 1st encounter was a trio of Insubstantial Wraiths with Regeneration & basic attacks that Weaken.  Longest encounter in my life....because we didn't have a source for Radiant Damage that'd shut off the Regeneration. (Btw Weakened Attacks versus a Regenerating Insubstantial thing is abundant overkill....Doing 1/4 Damage & they heal 5 on their turn?)  It's just one example but in most of my campaigns there's been a moment where someone doing a certain damage type has been pivotal.  It's the same with Swarms resisting weapon attacks or theme builds vs. Demonic Variable Resistance. My 2 Cents.-JaredPS: Our party ended up stocking up on swords that can do radiant damage, consumable Undead-Warding Glowstones, and a few other things.  Our kingdom for a Cleric (or Divine whatever).</blockquote>

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