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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5130183" data-attributes="member: 82106"><p>Summons in fact can flank, technically, but the problem is they lack attacks of any kind. Any attack that can be made via a summons is made by the summoner and thus the conditions for flanking are not met. Conjurations simply cannot flank at all. The conditions required to flank are:</p><p></p><p>1) Must be allies, you can only flank with allies.</p><p>2) Opposite sides, yeah OK we know about this one...</p><p>3) Must be able to attack. Both allies must be capable of attacking.</p><p>4) Must not be under a condition which disallows opportunity actions.</p><p></p><p>Conjurations fail test #1 as they are not allies, they are spell effects.</p><p></p><p>Summons generally fail test #3 as they have no attacks of their own.</p><p></p><p>Test #4 is rather ambiguous and has often been interpreted to mean you have to be actually capable of taking an OA. There could be a LONG and complex discussion on the minutia of statements about what exactly being able to make an OA really means and I'd just steer clear of that whole argument myself as it leads nowhere fast. Probably best to stick to the letter of the rules on this as at least it is not ambiguous (though odd and probably not RAI).</p><p></p><p>I agree with previous posters, if FoWP were something that was being written up today they would probably be considered summons and not conjurations. At the time they were written however there were no rules for summoning. Note though that even treating them as summons creates some oddities. They certainly will still not work exactly like other similar things unless you really rewrite them to be consistent with the summoning rules. In some ways that makes them more powerful, in others weaker. Overall it should work OK though.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 5130183, member: 82106"] Summons in fact can flank, technically, but the problem is they lack attacks of any kind. Any attack that can be made via a summons is made by the summoner and thus the conditions for flanking are not met. Conjurations simply cannot flank at all. The conditions required to flank are: 1) Must be allies, you can only flank with allies. 2) Opposite sides, yeah OK we know about this one... 3) Must be able to attack. Both allies must be capable of attacking. 4) Must not be under a condition which disallows opportunity actions. Conjurations fail test #1 as they are not allies, they are spell effects. Summons generally fail test #3 as they have no attacks of their own. Test #4 is rather ambiguous and has often been interpreted to mean you have to be actually capable of taking an OA. There could be a LONG and complex discussion on the minutia of statements about what exactly being able to make an OA really means and I'd just steer clear of that whole argument myself as it leads nowhere fast. Probably best to stick to the letter of the rules on this as at least it is not ambiguous (though odd and probably not RAI). I agree with previous posters, if FoWP were something that was being written up today they would probably be considered summons and not conjurations. At the time they were written however there were no rules for summoning. Note though that even treating them as summons creates some oddities. They certainly will still not work exactly like other similar things unless you really rewrite them to be consistent with the summoning rules. In some ways that makes them more powerful, in others weaker. Overall it should work OK though. [/QUOTE]
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