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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Colmarr" data-source="post: 5130316" data-attributes="member: 59182">I see your logic here but I'm note sure I agree with it.  #1 assumes that something can't be both a conjuration and an ally, and I don't see why that's the case. For example, a Jade Macetail is specifically called out as a "large medium animate" - it is for classification purposes a creature.  Why exactly can't a conjuration be an ally? And if a conjuration can't be an ally, then by extension mustn't you also say that they can't be an enemy (and therefore FoWP can't be the targets of "any enemy" powers)? #3 confuses attacks with actions. A FoWP can attack, but it must be commanded to do so by someone else using their actions. The fact that is takes only a minor action to command a FoWP to make a standard action attack is a pretty strong indication that the FoWP is somehow doing something of its own initiative. And continuing the "by extension" review, if a FoWP "has no attacks of their own" and therefore cannot flank, mustn't the same argument be applied to ranger beastmaster companions? They can't take independent actions unless their master is unconscious, so by analogy should be unable to flank while the ranger is conscious. To be honest, I don't see how anyone could reach the conclusion you mention about #4. "Not being under an effect that prevents X" is not the same as "you must be able to X". Not even close. If anything, this is a RAI argument and has no place in a RAW discussion. EDIT: I'm specifically only discussing FoWP here. I make no suggestion that my points apply to all summons or all conjurations. As others have pointed out, FoWP have unique and somewhat quirky rules, so even if they can flank, that's no indication that summons and conjurations can. They might be able to, but I'm not familiar enough with the general summoning and conjuration rules to get into the discussion.</blockquote>

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