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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5133979" data-attributes="member: 82106">The problem is that while conjurations aren't excluded from being creatures they ARE treated in the general rule in PHB2 in a specific way. At no time are they said to be creatures. We could consider the very non-standard format of the FoWPs to be indicative of a special status as both conjurations and creatures, but the question really isn't answered by RAW. This is going to have to be a call made by the DM. IF they are creatures, then they are by definition either allies or enemies, agreed. In that case they would pass the first criteria for being able to flank.Honestly from a standpoint of pure opinion I think the intent was that an FoWP acts like a creature, but it could certainly use clarification to say the least. This is incorrect. NO summons have attacks. The rules on summons clearly state that some summons list attacks which the summoner can make THROUGH the summons. There is no facility by which a summons can make an attack of its own and in fact they entirely lack any sort of powers whatsoever. Thus summons cannot flank, categorically due to failing criteria #3. The comparison made earlier to Beast Companions is irrelevant as they are neither summons nor conjurations. They are certainly creatures and in fact they DO have a melee basic attack listed for them and in fact are capable of making a melee basic attack, thus they meet all the criteria to flank. Indeed the possession of a separate pool of actions is not a criterion for being able to flank and I never stated it was. This is an uncertain point. Even summons lack their own independent attacks as I said above. FoWP seem to fall into a grey area in that they are listed as stat blocks, yet they are also a power effect and the caster is required to utilize his or her actions to make attacks. In some ways this is very similar to how summons work, but it is a debatable point. Again the problem is that FoWP in effect seem to follow their own unique set of rules. The question is to what degree are those rules really independent of the general conjuration rules? Are they really a different set of rules or do they simply represent a unique presentation? I think they were originally intended to be a type of creature once conjured, but it is unclear whether or not this is still true in the wake of PHB2.</blockquote>

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