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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Rel" data-source="post: 1540416" data-attributes="member: 99">First up, Umbran, I just wanted to say that I consider you to be one of the people who really makes ENWorld a great place.  Just about every time I see one of your posts, I look forward to reading something thoughtful and insightful.  I've been meaning to tell you that and now is as good a time as any.  Kudos!Agreed.  Without the "brick and mortar" concerns, I'd suppose that their only real costs by the point at which they are selling the PDF would be the costs for maintaining their website and perhaps a bit of advertising.  But I don't think we should ignore (and I don't think YOU are, Umbran) the costs associated with producing the work in the first place.  I'm sure that in many cases the product produced is a "labor of love" but it is a "labor" nonetheless.  The pirates are gaining the benefit of that labor without paying for it and that is morally wrong.You are absolutely correct and I don't want my point to be misunderstood.  I can foresee no real solution to this problem and there is probably no cost-effective way to implement one.  But I do maintain that the people who are stealing the PDF's are doing a wrong and they are doing it to the same people who they share their hobby with.  The people who are getting screwed in this whole situation are not some fat-cat corporate bigwigs who fly around in private jets.  PDF gaming products are produced, almost without exception, by people who play and love the game and are making a fairly small amount of money in the process.  To proclaim that they are not entitled to that little bit of cash for their efforts is a slap in the face to those who labor to increase your fun.Therefore I don't see any point in using the same sorts of arguments about gaming PDF's that one would about mp3's and the music industry.</blockquote>

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