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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dr. Harry" data-source="post: 1547152" data-attributes="member: 5468">Precise language vs. "yer jes usin jargon!", or "if it didn't need technical terms to describe technical concepts it wouldn't be complex enough to warrent discussing." Actually, I thought that was a concise summation of a lot of germane material.  I hope this makes future discussions more compact.  Thank you for your work. (I am going to skip some really good material as, while valuable to the discussion, it is long.  Any point I do not specifically address in the post of yours that I am responding to should be interpreted to mean that I agree with/ recognize the value of the excised post.</blockquote>Yes, idea is back to just a "cool thought" here (the "raw idea" spoken of above).  An interesting point about Jefferson - though I suppose another analogy might be, "if my neighbor is hosting a party in his back yard, and I get out and groove to the DJ's music in my back yard, should I expect a bill from the DJ for theft of services?"[/QUOTE]  That is an interesting idea, and I can make what I think are valid arguments for either side.  Perhaps someone will pick this part of your post to expound on, and then I might disagree with them.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  Another interesting thought.  I do not know if the school that I work at would take the position:A)  Thieving Bastiche!  You must pay us for that!B)  Oh well, only the little piece of paper at the end has actual value.  (Yes, I'm pessimistic enough to think that they might go that way.)   I very much doubt that they would take the position of C) Come one, come all, this is a public university so this is a public service.  Students pay to have the knowledge officially endorsed by the teacher by receiving a grade!    Yes, although the are still some counterexamples that are probably to political to discuss, but that still falls to government as a class of people so I guess there really isn't a great qualification that is required.  I used this as an example as it is similar (and in fact a good deal harsher) than the situations discussed in this thread.  One person with control over who can buy gasoline and at what price is an evil, one person with control over who can print copies of a specific game book, and determine the price for that game book would trivialize the definition of 'evil' if it were applied to this case.    To jump ahead of myself, I see it as a perfectly reasonable "tax" of society on the individual that work goes into the public domain after a certain period of time in exchange for society's help in preserving the creator's (of the 'processed idea') right to the material for a certain period of time.   While I will grant that the primary difference is as a difference of degree, that is an exceptionally important difference, important enough to justify different conclusions.   That would be a dangerous monopoly, and it would not correspond to copyright as that one person did not create or contract the processed idea in question.  There are "processed ideas" (I do not use quotation marks to demean the term "processed idea", but to ensure that the words remain linked together as one term) that are not released to the public, typically related to some corporate or production function in that way, but most of my field has a different outlook.  The overwhelming pressure is to publish and thus to release one's professional work immediately into the public domain - as long as proper credit is maintained.   While we might have broken ranks on the basic outlook of where the most fundamental rights lie, we agree here.  I think that society is fully justified (and that it is a positive good) in saying that copyrights have a limited life.  I won't comment on the quotes, but it is interesting that a friend of mine changed the name of his fledgling game company from one that shared a word common to Orson Scott Card's web pages due to Card's reputation as someone who strongly protects product identity.  (This was OSC's perceived reputation; if that is inaccurate I would like to know.)               Dr. Harry[/QUOTE]

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