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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 3774775" data-attributes="member: 2011">I'm having a bit of a problem with the concept of a martial controller.A controller, at least for me, needs to be able to handle battlefield control. Typically in DND, that means wall spells or web/entangle spells or grease spells or silence spells or darkness spells, etc.It's the ability to force your opponents into a certain mode or corridor of attack.One way to do this with a martial character from what I know of 4E will be similar to computer games were one character has some way to get enemies to attack him and him alone. Or, one character has some way to cause fear in his opponents.I'm not real comfortable with a martial character having supernatural abilities like this. This goes way beyond Intimidate and into the arena of Mind Control. Even with concepts like the Bo9S's Iron Guard's Glare, it just doesn't seem like something a martial character should be able to do without magic of some sort (this goes way beyond Aid Another for example, -4 versus -2, swift instead of standard action, no action to do it every round, and multiple allies, not one). At least IMO.If this is the case, I'd just as soon not see a Martial Controller if they are all going to have supernatural battlefield control abilities masquerading behind non-plausible martial rationales.</blockquote>