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Message: <blockquote data-quote="SKyOdin" data-source="post: 4134088" data-attributes="member: 57939">That really depends on implementation. I would argue that a class built around making gadgets and grenades would not be martial. Here are two possible powers for a grenadier/gadget class, the first one wouldn't be martial, while the second one is martial. (Please forgive the sloppy/incorrect formating)FirebombYou throw one of your custom-made firebombs at the enemy.EncounterStandard ActionTarget: Ranged BurstAttack: Dexterity vs. ReflexHit: Do 3d6 points of Fire Damage to all creatures in affected area.Big BoomYou time one of your bombs to explode with maximum effect.Encounter, WeaponStandard ActionRanged weaponRequirement: You must be wielding a grenade-like weaponTarget: Ranged BurstAttack: Dexterity vs. ReflexHit: Do 2[W]+Dex damage.In the first power, the flavor is that of the user throwing a bomb they made themselves in imitation of a spell. In the second, the PC throws a bomb that anyone can use and gets more effect out of it than anyone else. I argue that the first example is not a martial power, but rather belongs to a Mad Science or Artifice power source.Of course, for there to be a martial class built around grenades and gadgets, explosives need to be fairly commonplace in the world. While I can imagine a Martial Controller class built for a modern campaign that is built around grenades and suppressive fire with a machine gun, I am not sure that concept would work for your typical D&D setting.I do have no doubt that someone will eventually make a really good Martial Controller though. I would like to see it happen.</blockquote>

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