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<blockquote data-quote="dave2008" data-source="post: 8183127" data-attributes="member: 83242">Legendary Actions and Legendary resistance figure into how you calculate the CR, but once the CR is calculated there is no difference.&nbsp; A CR 17 is, in theory, the same challenge as CR 17 Legendary. So if you remove a monsters LA &amp; LR, they are most likely not the same challenge.For example. Legendary resistance adds to the &quot;effective&quot; HP of the dragon.&nbsp; The red dragon actually has 346 &quot;effective&quot; HP (+90 HP for LA). And the Legendary Actions add 51 damage to its DPR (3 tail attacks).Also, You will notice in the DMG encounter builder that it doesn't say anything about adjusting the encounter for legendary monsters.FYI, per the DMG the red dragon CR is:Defensive CR: 20Offensive CR: 21Total CR 20.5So the dragon as listed is actual undervalued per the guidelines (this is a trait of the dragons in general). I think it is the same reason as the &quot;fireball effect&quot;FYI, without the LR &amp; LA the dragon is only CR 14.5Now, that fact that LA give the monster more out of turn actions does in reality make it a bit more challenging, but not enough to change the CR.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="dave2008, post: 8183127, member: 83242"] Legendary Actions and Legendary resistance figure into how you calculate the CR, but once the CR is calculated there is no difference. A CR 17 is, in theory, the same challenge as CR 17 Legendary. So if you remove a monsters LA & LR, they are most likely not the same challenge. For example. Legendary resistance adds to the "effective" HP of the dragon. The red dragon actually has 346 "effective" HP (+90 HP for LA). And the Legendary Actions add 51 damage to its DPR (3 tail attacks). Also, You will notice in the DMG encounter builder that it doesn't say anything about adjusting the encounter for legendary monsters. FYI, per the DMG the red dragon CR is: Defensive CR: 20 Offensive CR: 21 Total CR 20.5 So the dragon as listed is actual undervalued per the guidelines (this is a trait of the dragons in general). I think it is the same reason as the "fireball effect" FYI, without the LR & LA the dragon is only CR 14.5 Now, that fact that LA give the monster more out of turn actions does in reality make it a bit more challenging, but not enough to change the CR. [/QUOTE]

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