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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Vyvyan Basterd" data-source="post: 6181674" data-attributes="member: 4892">While I agree with you sentiment, I've always thought of the latter as just "good play." To me, System Mastery is a specific phenomenon that revolves around using and/or abusing synergies within the character build rules. Those rules are completely removed from actual in-game play.You might want to sit down for this Ahn.... I agree with you. My particular problem with 3E that led me to stop playing it was because the customization could lead down such divergent paths to the point where my players and I were no longer having fun with the challenges presented to the characters. A fun challenge for those whose charcaters excelled were no fun for those whose didn't because the challenge overwhelmed their capabilities. A fun challenge for those whose characters were deficient were no fun for anybody because the superior characters would just cake-walk the opposition. But there was never any demand to min/max and I'm sure tables where everyone was at relatively equal levels of system mastery worked well. Whether it was a group full of min/maxers or a group full of people playing non-optimized characters. The admixture of the two caused an issue for us. 4E did fix that, but at the cost of other elements I've come to miss over time. I hope Next maintains this balance while striving to return some of the elements of D&D that were lost.</blockquote>