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<blockquote data-quote="Ahnehnois" data-source="post: 6181681" data-attributes="member: 17106"><p>Well, it's more "the problem doesn't exist in my games and I'd have to be convinced that it exists in any significant number of other people's". It's also "You're ignoring other problems in pursuit of this one". My contention is increasingly that the pursuit of balance has caused more problems than it's fixed.</p><p></p><p>You must have missed the thread where people were accusing me of equating adventuring with combat and ignoring all other endeavors. You also have a rather odd definition of system mastery; some of my players are pretty interested in it, others not. Playing an evoker is not antithetical to mastering the system, if you master the evoker. If you want to get into stereotypically overpowered classes, I've had quite a few druids, which went fine for me thank you.</p><p></p><p>But I've run a lot of games and I don't see why you feel the need to characterize them in such a reductionistic way. I occasionally share experiences to make my perspective clearer or to give concrete examples of abstract concepts, but this "let's dissect someone's game experience" can get ridiculous. I've run some gonzo epic games, and the last one I ran, while not epic, started at level 10 and included some powerful (but not overpowered) spellcasters. And then I've run some games that went through single-digit levels, then before that one at level 12 or so, and various others. Some of them have been bloodbaths, others we could make it through a session without a fight. The power level varies, the houserules vary, the themes vary, etc. etc. The beauty of D&D (and most especially 3e) is its flexibility. To say that I (or anyone) "only" understands the game a certain way is either stating the obvious (as no one is the sole arbiter of the D&D experience) or an absurd extreme (as there is no standard experience that we are all supposed to understand and some of us don't).</p><p></p><p>You'll notice I don't feel the need to run through your credentials when I discuss your opinions. I just assume that your opinions are as valid or invalid as everyone else's.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ahnehnois, post: 6181681, member: 17106"] Well, it's more "the problem doesn't exist in my games and I'd have to be convinced that it exists in any significant number of other people's". It's also "You're ignoring other problems in pursuit of this one". My contention is increasingly that the pursuit of balance has caused more problems than it's fixed. You must have missed the thread where people were accusing me of equating adventuring with combat and ignoring all other endeavors. You also have a rather odd definition of system mastery; some of my players are pretty interested in it, others not. Playing an evoker is not antithetical to mastering the system, if you master the evoker. If you want to get into stereotypically overpowered classes, I've had quite a few druids, which went fine for me thank you. But I've run a lot of games and I don't see why you feel the need to characterize them in such a reductionistic way. I occasionally share experiences to make my perspective clearer or to give concrete examples of abstract concepts, but this "let's dissect someone's game experience" can get ridiculous. I've run some gonzo epic games, and the last one I ran, while not epic, started at level 10 and included some powerful (but not overpowered) spellcasters. And then I've run some games that went through single-digit levels, then before that one at level 12 or so, and various others. Some of them have been bloodbaths, others we could make it through a session without a fight. The power level varies, the houserules vary, the themes vary, etc. etc. The beauty of D&D (and most especially 3e) is its flexibility. To say that I (or anyone) "only" understands the game a certain way is either stating the obvious (as no one is the sole arbiter of the D&D experience) or an absurd extreme (as there is no standard experience that we are all supposed to understand and some of us don't). You'll notice I don't feel the need to run through your credentials when I discuss your opinions. I just assume that your opinions are as valid or invalid as everyone else's. [/QUOTE]
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