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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 6183247" data-attributes="member: 6696971">No, I read you. And I understand the premise. And I do agree that it certainly is intuitive. Try to put more force into something equals more kinetic energy equals more applied force. Makes sense. However, it actually doesn't work out that way so I was just agreeing with Bluenose (and noting the physics) that "Swing harder" doesn't translate to more bat speed/club head speed and it generally creates the antithesis; grip harder, swing harder reduces bat/club head speed. Its literally the first thing you're taught (or you teach, which I have with respect to baseball) in either of those techniques. I don't have any formal training in sword-play, or the like, but I suspect you chose a pretty good analog with baseball.Sports physics and kineseology are pretty intense these days. Most interactions have been broken down completely.Its sort of like our ability score conundrum in D&D. There is a ton going on in every martial action/contest (with all or most ability scores involved) but, for ease of use, we choose a single ability score to stand in for a complex algorothim involving all of them.</blockquote>