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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 5066418" data-attributes="member: 2011">There you go insulting people by saying how they cannot think like game designers, but you can. How they are missing stuff and forgetting stuff. Hmmm.So far, the people who have played hybrids have posted that they are relatively weaker than normal PCs. A hybrid has fewer/weaker class features and has one feat less (for all intents and purposes). In exchange, the hybrid gets versatility, but no more versatility than a new class can get in a new splat book. Balance-wise, hybrids are inferior.If you want to illustrate your point, prove it. Post a hybrid x/y PC where it is  as strong or stronger in combat as class x and as strong or stronger in combat as class y. Go to a reasonable level like level 10 so that the attacks, defenses, hit points, DPR, healing, etc. can be illustrated and measured at various levels.You seem to armchair quarterback quite a bit. You need to illustrate a bit more if your POV is going to be taken seriously.We are, after all, only talking about a single feat here. If hybrids are typically weaker than non-hybrids (as most people designing them and/or playing them have seemed to notice), than a single feat should help balance it out a bit. But, you have to illustrate that hybrids can actually be stronger than non-hybrids for a single feat being too strong to give them having any validity.Where's your data that seems to fly in the face of other people's analysis' and experiences? Most people who look at this notice that Hybrid Talent has to be used just for AC, let alone for anything else. You seem to ignore this. You seem to ignore that Cloth armor or Chain armor is actually pretty darn weak for many hybrids and that because the Hybrid PC uses Hybrid Talent for AC just to be competitive, other class features are mostly out of the question.The Fighter / Wizard in cloth armor sucks dude. And even if he takes Arcane Implement Mastery, he will have a tough time fighting in melee as a Fighter and using that part of his versatility without taking a boatload of other feats. Gimp 101.</blockquote>

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