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<blockquote data-quote="CovertOps" data-source="post: 5159650" data-attributes="member: 65152"><p>No matter what you do you will NEVER be all three roles at once. If you are not a striker then strikers will do more damage than you. If you are not a defender (or a heavy armor wearer that spends lots of feats) you won't have the highest AC. If you aren't a Leader you can't heal. The best you can do is be a second best at anything that isn't your primary role and even then you have to give up other options to do that.</p><p></p><p>Your stated goal at the outset was to be all three. Since there is no way to do what you want, then the question becomes what do you want to focus on so I gave a build that gets you defender and leader, and drops striker.</p><p></p><p>You can also take the build I listed and pick up MC Fighter and Paragon path into Pit Fighter to pick up +Wis modifier damage to all attacks, but then you have to accept the 4 feats being spent on defense if that's what you want. This option is really closest to what you want, but it will take you many levels to get there.</p><p></p><p>Hybrid has it's own drawbacks. You have to give up your 2/encounter healing (1/encounter now) in order to pick up Paladin. You also lose Healer's Lore (+Wis mod to all healing) by being hybrid. Even then you only get limited abilities of the Paladin and you are restricted on how you choose your powers. And I'm not clear why you're opposed to having more choices about how to build what you want. </p><p></p><p>My only point is don't look at your problem with blinders on. There may be other builds that do what you want, but without knowing what you want I can only speculate.</p><p></p><p>It's all about the options...what's important to you?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CovertOps, post: 5159650, member: 65152"] No matter what you do you will NEVER be all three roles at once. If you are not a striker then strikers will do more damage than you. If you are not a defender (or a heavy armor wearer that spends lots of feats) you won't have the highest AC. If you aren't a Leader you can't heal. The best you can do is be a second best at anything that isn't your primary role and even then you have to give up other options to do that. Your stated goal at the outset was to be all three. Since there is no way to do what you want, then the question becomes what do you want to focus on so I gave a build that gets you defender and leader, and drops striker. You can also take the build I listed and pick up MC Fighter and Paragon path into Pit Fighter to pick up +Wis modifier damage to all attacks, but then you have to accept the 4 feats being spent on defense if that's what you want. This option is really closest to what you want, but it will take you many levels to get there. Hybrid has it's own drawbacks. You have to give up your 2/encounter healing (1/encounter now) in order to pick up Paladin. You also lose Healer's Lore (+Wis mod to all healing) by being hybrid. Even then you only get limited abilities of the Paladin and you are restricted on how you choose your powers. And I'm not clear why you're opposed to having more choices about how to build what you want. My only point is don't look at your problem with blinders on. There may be other builds that do what you want, but without knowing what you want I can only speculate. It's all about the options...what's important to you? [/QUOTE]
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