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<blockquote data-quote="Noctem" data-source="post: 6731982" data-attributes="member: 6801315">Misty step bonus action + movement does mean that the wizard will be able to stay out range relatively easily.&nbsp; That also leaves the Action to use offense.&nbsp; But a dex fighter has a better chance of going first because of a good initiative modifier than a STR version.&nbsp; He can also invest in his 3rd NAD defense more freely.&nbsp; So with a shield on top of a DEX bonus to armor, you can easily get to 18 AC in medium armor while having very solid NADs to better protected yourself against the onslaught of spells the wizard would cast.&nbsp; So to recap:Higher if not equal initiative between the two classes if the wizard invests in DEX (he should) and the fighter is DEX primary (he should be)Fighter defenses are solid all around under those circumstances while the Wizard has only decent CON and AC (Ac being the most important) and must compensate for this via spells like Shield or Mage Armor (which would have to be pre-emptively cast to be valuable since losing the action to cast it in combat would suck)Offense wise, the fighter is a constant and steady stream of attacks as is expected of any martial class.&nbsp; The wizard has the ability to inflict statuses on a hit with good damage output and can keep up with the fighter via cantrips once slots run out.&nbsp; However as shown above, the fighter will most likely have an edge defense wise overall.Movement wise the wizard has the edge if he has misty step to use a bonus action to get out of dodge, however once that runs out.&nbsp; All the fighter has to do is be in melee for the wizard to get screwed.&nbsp; Either you disengage and miss out on offense, or you have disadvange on your ranged spell or you take an OA..&nbsp; none of those are very interesting imo.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Noctem, post: 6731982, member: 6801315"] Misty step bonus action + movement does mean that the wizard will be able to stay out range relatively easily. That also leaves the Action to use offense. But a dex fighter has a better chance of going first because of a good initiative modifier than a STR version. He can also invest in his 3rd NAD defense more freely. So with a shield on top of a DEX bonus to armor, you can easily get to 18 AC in medium armor while having very solid NADs to better protected yourself against the onslaught of spells the wizard would cast. So to recap: Higher if not equal initiative between the two classes if the wizard invests in DEX (he should) and the fighter is DEX primary (he should be) Fighter defenses are solid all around under those circumstances while the Wizard has only decent CON and AC (Ac being the most important) and must compensate for this via spells like Shield or Mage Armor (which would have to be pre-emptively cast to be valuable since losing the action to cast it in combat would suck) Offense wise, the fighter is a constant and steady stream of attacks as is expected of any martial class. The wizard has the ability to inflict statuses on a hit with good damage output and can keep up with the fighter via cantrips once slots run out. However as shown above, the fighter will most likely have an edge defense wise overall. Movement wise the wizard has the edge if he has misty step to use a bonus action to get out of dodge, however once that runs out. All the fighter has to do is be in melee for the wizard to get screwed. Either you disengage and miss out on offense, or you have disadvange on your ranged spell or you take an OA.. none of those are very interesting imo. [/QUOTE]

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