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Message: <blockquote data-quote="kennew142" data-source="post: 3973964" data-attributes="member: 18490">I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth. Although it may have seemed like it - my bad.I'm not arguing that TSR didn't collapse and nearly go under, nor that their company wasn't in much worse shape than they had represented it to WotC before the sale. I am just arguing that D&D itself remained the most popular tabletop rpg during this time. I'm not talking sales; TSR's sales tanked. I'm talking about games that were played by actual gamers. Everyone I knew who played D&D kept on playing D&D. We had just as difficult a time getting the average gamer to try GURPS or Runequest during this period as we did before and after. Conventions I was involved in still had more D&D games than anything else. Et cetera....Some folks in this thread have been arguing that D&D pretty much "left the table" during this period. I never saw any evidence for it.Back to the topic that started this conversation:If D&D remained the most popular tabletop rpg (or arguably even if it remained in the top two), and if D&D never gave up the concept of killing things for xp and taking their stuff, then killing things for xp and taking their stuff never left rpgs - and its existence in D&D does not mean that it was reimported from video games.</blockquote>