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<blockquote data-quote="Bacon Bits" data-source="post: 6863082" data-attributes="member: 6777737">You're not seriously arguing that anybody wasted time with item saves.&nbsp; Everybody tried item saves once or twice, quickly realized it was either a waste of time or just far too punitive, and just ignored them.&nbsp; Except for a few one-shots with pregens, I never played with a DM that made items roll saves except in cases where the item was unattended or you were targeting the item.Not only does the target have to fail his save first, you only roll saves for items that could conceivably be damaged by the attack, and even then items get bonuses to saves.&nbsp; Few DMs care about destroying single use items like potions or scrolls, and fewer still are interested in rewarding players only to take the items away a few encounters later.&nbsp; It's a whole lot of pointless dice rolling.&nbsp; Worse, if you do roll item saves, then you should conceivably roll item saves for mundane items, too, and that's just very boring until you get to something absurd, like the Wizard's spellbook.&nbsp; And you should roll items for objects carried by NPCs, and that's just a weapons race most DMs aren't interested in playing.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Bacon Bits, post: 6863082, member: 6777737"] You're not seriously arguing that anybody wasted time with item saves. Everybody tried item saves once or twice, quickly realized it was either a waste of time or just [I]far[/I] too punitive, and just ignored them. Except for a few one-shots with pregens, I never played with a DM that made items roll saves except in cases where the item was unattended or you were targeting the item. Not only does the target have to fail his save first, you only roll saves for items that could conceivably be damaged by the attack, and even then items get bonuses to saves. Few DMs care about destroying single use items like potions or scrolls, and fewer still are interested in rewarding players only to take the items away a few encounters later. It's a whole lot of pointless dice rolling. Worse, if you [I]do[/I] roll item saves, then you should conceivably roll item saves for [I]mundane[/I] items, too, and that's just very boring until you get to something absurd, like the Wizard's spellbook. And you should roll items for objects carried [I]by NPCs[/I], and that's just a weapons race most DMs aren't interested in playing. [/QUOTE]

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