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<blockquote data-quote="abirdcall" data-source="post: 6734235" data-attributes="member: 6748898"><p>By that reasoning no amount of investigation can reveal that it is an illusion. Or really, reveal that anything is an illusion, because it could just be some other magical effect.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Physical interaction prompts a check. Firing something through it is interacting with it physically.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I suppose I don't find it to be an interesting use of illusion. Using a 1st level spell as a superior version of a 2nd level spell is rules abuse at best. Thankfully, it doesn't work by the rules so it is easy to fix.</p><p></p><p>The intent of an illusion is to deceive, not duplicate magical effects of higher level spells at will.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>A good rule of thumb to use to figure out whether the rules are being correctly interpreted or working as intended is to think about whether the players would be upset if they were applied against them.</p><p></p><p>If the enemies used this tactic would the players be okay with it? Or would they feel frustrated and cheated?</p><p></p><p>Think about how it would affect the game world too. Illusion would be very powerful.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>But this is all off topic.</p><p></p><p>On topic I definitely wouldn't use an attack cantrip as a high elf if my class has other attack cantrips with my main stat. </p><p></p><p>Vicious Mockery is very good from levels 1-4. After that it suffers from enemies having multiple attacks and a poor increase of damage. Still, you probably have better things to do than Firebolt at level 5 too.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="abirdcall, post: 6734235, member: 6748898"] By that reasoning no amount of investigation can reveal that it is an illusion. Or really, reveal that anything is an illusion, because it could just be some other magical effect. Physical interaction prompts a check. Firing something through it is interacting with it physically. I suppose I don't find it to be an interesting use of illusion. Using a 1st level spell as a superior version of a 2nd level spell is rules abuse at best. Thankfully, it doesn't work by the rules so it is easy to fix. The intent of an illusion is to deceive, not duplicate magical effects of higher level spells at will. A good rule of thumb to use to figure out whether the rules are being correctly interpreted or working as intended is to think about whether the players would be upset if they were applied against them. If the enemies used this tactic would the players be okay with it? Or would they feel frustrated and cheated? Think about how it would affect the game world too. Illusion would be very powerful. But this is all off topic. On topic I definitely wouldn't use an attack cantrip as a high elf if my class has other attack cantrips with my main stat. Vicious Mockery is very good from levels 1-4. After that it suffers from enemies having multiple attacks and a poor increase of damage. Still, you probably have better things to do than Firebolt at level 5 too. [/QUOTE]
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