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<blockquote data-quote="Greenfield" data-source="post: 5857280" data-attributes="member: 6669384"><p>Hmm. He's talking 16th century (1500s), and you're talking about 19th century (1800s).</p><p></p><p>While the first revolver did date to the 1500s, it was a "revolving arquebus", still a muzzle loader, and prone to misfires. Col. Samuel Colt invented the revolver as we know it in 1836. It was slow to catch on and his business closed down in 1842. Success came when he re-engineered his invention and opened a second factory in 1847. Then, as the old saying went, "God created man. Col. Colt made them equal." </p><p></p><p>The Sharps and Henry repeating rifles came into production just around the Civil war. (1860 or so). The quartermaster of the US army didn't like them and didn't issue them. He felt that it would encourage men to waste ammunition. It wasn't until his retirement and replacement that they began to hit the field.</p><p></p><p>The Henry rifle eventually became the Winchester, by the way.</p><p></p><p>Rifled barrels, which extend range and accuracy, were just available (in high end, custom weapons) in the late 1700s, still two centuries after the time frame he's talking about. They came into more general use with the invention of the "mini-ball" in the 1840s. The mini-ball was made to fit into the muzzle of the gun cleanly, then deform slightly when fired so it would grip the barrel grooves on the way out.</p><p></p><p>Breech loading rifles happened in 1770, and were still using powder from a powder horn.</p><p></p><p>The percussion cap, the invention that eliminated the need to strike a spark or light a fuse, was invented in the early to mid 1800s. This was the predecessor of the brass cartridge we know today, with it's primer built into a small percussion cap pressed into the back, and triggered by the firing pin on the hammer.</p><p></p><p>So none of the "repeating crossbow" arguments really apply in a 1500s tech level for firearms. Guns didn't repeat back then.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Greenfield, post: 5857280, member: 6669384"] Hmm. He's talking 16th century (1500s), and you're talking about 19th century (1800s). While the first revolver did date to the 1500s, it was a "revolving arquebus", still a muzzle loader, and prone to misfires. Col. Samuel Colt invented the revolver as we know it in 1836. It was slow to catch on and his business closed down in 1842. Success came when he re-engineered his invention and opened a second factory in 1847. Then, as the old saying went, "God created man. Col. Colt made them equal." The Sharps and Henry repeating rifles came into production just around the Civil war. (1860 or so). The quartermaster of the US army didn't like them and didn't issue them. He felt that it would encourage men to waste ammunition. It wasn't until his retirement and replacement that they began to hit the field. The Henry rifle eventually became the Winchester, by the way. Rifled barrels, which extend range and accuracy, were just available (in high end, custom weapons) in the late 1700s, still two centuries after the time frame he's talking about. They came into more general use with the invention of the "mini-ball" in the 1840s. The mini-ball was made to fit into the muzzle of the gun cleanly, then deform slightly when fired so it would grip the barrel grooves on the way out. Breech loading rifles happened in 1770, and were still using powder from a powder horn. The percussion cap, the invention that eliminated the need to strike a spark or light a fuse, was invented in the early to mid 1800s. This was the predecessor of the brass cartridge we know today, with it's primer built into a small percussion cap pressed into the back, and triggered by the firing pin on the hammer. So none of the "repeating crossbow" arguments really apply in a 1500s tech level for firearms. Guns didn't repeat back then. [/QUOTE]
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