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<blockquote data-quote="Magus Coeruleus" data-source="post: 109419" data-attributes="member: 1704"><p>Whoa, easy there killer! To ask this question is not to jack with anything. The PHB says "If you attempt to send the bead through a narrow passage, such as through an arrow slit, you must "hit" the opening with a ranged touch attack, or else the bead strikes the barrier and detonates prematurely" (p. 204) Now, this tidbit raises the question or 1) how narrow is narrow, and 2) how is the AC for such a ranged touch attack determined?</p><p></p><p>If you have one person in the 5' square in front of you it seems tough to consider that firing though a narrow passage, but what if you have layers of opponents in front of you, or larger creatures that take up a lot of space?</p><p></p><p>I'm asking about the exceptional case where tight confines might create a situation where the preferred detonation point can only be reached by shooting the firepea through a narrow line of sight through various obstacles like people. How about firing past a crowded marketplace? How about firing through and beyond a <em>web</em> effect?</p><p></p><p>See where I'm coming from? This is hardly analagous to considering a weapon to provide cover to its target. We're not talking about the pea or the caster's hand, but about interposed obstacles.</p><p></p><p>A fighter with a reach weapon suffers cover penalties when fighting past someone directly in front of him, after all. Same for an archer. Again, I'm not saying that one creature in the way should create the same situation for a fireball as for melee/ranged attacks, but those are certainly more appropriate comparisons than your weapon serving as cover!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Magus Coeruleus, post: 109419, member: 1704"] Whoa, easy there killer! To ask this question is not to jack with anything. The PHB says "If you attempt to send the bead through a narrow passage, such as through an arrow slit, you must "hit" the opening with a ranged touch attack, or else the bead strikes the barrier and detonates prematurely" (p. 204) Now, this tidbit raises the question or 1) how narrow is narrow, and 2) how is the AC for such a ranged touch attack determined? If you have one person in the 5' square in front of you it seems tough to consider that firing though a narrow passage, but what if you have layers of opponents in front of you, or larger creatures that take up a lot of space? I'm asking about the exceptional case where tight confines might create a situation where the preferred detonation point can only be reached by shooting the firepea through a narrow line of sight through various obstacles like people. How about firing past a crowded marketplace? How about firing through and beyond a [I]web[/I] effect? See where I'm coming from? This is hardly analagous to considering a weapon to provide cover to its target. We're not talking about the pea or the caster's hand, but about interposed obstacles. A fighter with a reach weapon suffers cover penalties when fighting past someone directly in front of him, after all. Same for an archer. Again, I'm not saying that one creature in the way should create the same situation for a fireball as for melee/ranged attacks, but those are certainly more appropriate comparisons than your weapon serving as cover! [/QUOTE]
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