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<blockquote data-quote="Greenfield" data-source="post: 7941776" data-attributes="member: 6669384"><p>That term, "Instantaneous", caused more arguments and confusions than any other in spell descriptors.</p><p></p><p>It didn't actually refer to how long the fire/lightning/acid/bunny-rabbit lasted. It refered to the fact that the spell's effect couldn't be dispelled after the fact. "Permanent" meant the effect lasted forever, unless dispelled. </p><p></p><p>As for Skip Williams' Sage Advice: I'd suggest that the Sage read the spell. It says it ignites things, therefore it ignites things.</p><p></p><p>As for the volume in earlier editions: I once wrote a module for a game tournament. The group was seeking to recover the Book of Lies, an Artifact level item that had been stolen. It was hidden in a library, and the clue they had said, "... and the book is known only by what it is not."</p><p></p><p>As I recall, Artifacts don't shoe up in a number of Detect spells, aren't subject to most damage effects, etc.</p><p></p><p>One of the options available was, of course, to just fireball the library and pick out the book that survived. Not the best solution, but a solution. The layout of the hall didn't give the players a place where they could safely cast the Fireball spell and be out of the flashback. I specifically pointed this out to the DMs running the module. (We'd do eight tables, three runs a day, of the same module and score for the best performance, so notes like that were needed.)</p><p></p><p>Many of the DMS either didn't read the notes or ignored them, which made scoring hard, but we drew quite a few shocked responses from players when their characters got toasted by their own spells.</p><p></p><p>Still, lots of fun to be had.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Greenfield, post: 7941776, member: 6669384"] That term, "Instantaneous", caused more arguments and confusions than any other in spell descriptors. It didn't actually refer to how long the fire/lightning/acid/bunny-rabbit lasted. It refered to the fact that the spell's effect couldn't be dispelled after the fact. "Permanent" meant the effect lasted forever, unless dispelled. As for Skip Williams' Sage Advice: I'd suggest that the Sage read the spell. It says it ignites things, therefore it ignites things. As for the volume in earlier editions: I once wrote a module for a game tournament. The group was seeking to recover the Book of Lies, an Artifact level item that had been stolen. It was hidden in a library, and the clue they had said, "... and the book is known only by what it is not." As I recall, Artifacts don't shoe up in a number of Detect spells, aren't subject to most damage effects, etc. One of the options available was, of course, to just fireball the library and pick out the book that survived. Not the best solution, but a solution. The layout of the hall didn't give the players a place where they could safely cast the Fireball spell and be out of the flashback. I specifically pointed this out to the DMs running the module. (We'd do eight tables, three runs a day, of the same module and score for the best performance, so notes like that were needed.) Many of the DMS either didn't read the notes or ignored them, which made scoring hard, but we drew quite a few shocked responses from players when their characters got toasted by their own spells. Still, lots of fun to be had. [/QUOTE]
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