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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 7954024" data-attributes="member: 22779"><p>Why add in the fourth term? Instantaneous covers what you are calling Permanent. In 3e and later terms, Permanent covers your third term.</p><p></p><p>And, no, you can't categorically state that "Actually there was, and still is: if the write-up doesn't specifically state that a permanent effect can be dispelled then it can't be. " because there is nothing in the rules that actually state this. Now, granted, I played this way and I imagine most people did, but, that doesn't change the fact that the rules are not clear.</p><p></p><p>AD&D rules that aren't clear? Shock! Surprise! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></p><p></p><p>How fast is a magical lightning bolt? I dunno. I know it covers X distance in about 1 minute, so, it might actually be pretty slow. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /> </p><p></p><p>Can you Dispel Continual Light? It's permanent. A Glyph of Warding is Permanent until Discharged. So, Permanent effects actually are still magical? So, they can be dispelled? So on and so forth.</p><p></p><p>In any case, I agree with you that the AD&D rules needed work. You want 4 durations, I figure 3 are good enough.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 7954024, member: 22779"] Why add in the fourth term? Instantaneous covers what you are calling Permanent. In 3e and later terms, Permanent covers your third term. And, no, you can't categorically state that "Actually there was, and still is: if the write-up doesn't specifically state that a permanent effect can be dispelled then it can't be. " because there is nothing in the rules that actually state this. Now, granted, I played this way and I imagine most people did, but, that doesn't change the fact that the rules are not clear. AD&D rules that aren't clear? Shock! Surprise! :D How fast is a magical lightning bolt? I dunno. I know it covers X distance in about 1 minute, so, it might actually be pretty slow. :D Can you Dispel Continual Light? It's permanent. A Glyph of Warding is Permanent until Discharged. So, Permanent effects actually are still magical? So, they can be dispelled? So on and so forth. In any case, I agree with you that the AD&D rules needed work. You want 4 durations, I figure 3 are good enough. [/QUOTE]
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