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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Villano" data-source="post: 622863" data-attributes="member: 505">But my point was that people are paying money to watch and as such do have a right to complain about the system that determines what shows tey can watch.Otherwise, only people who own stock in Fox could complain. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> That's because aside from Star Trek and a very few other shows, petitions don't work.  People view it as a waste of time, and, sadly, it is. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown    :("  data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" />I didn't ignore it, but thought my views were expressed elsewhere in my post.  If this system is put in place (fans can put up money to put a show back into production), it stands to reason that others will use it in order to start production of a tv show.Think about it.  Firefly is gone.  However, James Cameron says, "I liked that show.  In fact, I want to do my own space western.  Who wants to donate some money to see it made?"  Most of those Firefly fans would put up their money for that. There are a great many people who have ideas for series that won't get made because they don't have any backing.  If money became available to them, they'd jump at making it themselves and handing over a finished product to a network.Another factor to consider is who ended the show.  Friends will (eventually) be cancelled because the people associated with the show want to cease operations.  That's the same reason the MTV cartoon Daria was cancelled.  Both could still pull in the ratings.Also, popular shows usually outlive their welcome.  By the time they are cancelled, people are sick of them.  Usually, by this point, the quality has totally dropped off.  Look at The Simpsons.  I don't think that that show has been good in years.  X-Files is another example.  A great many people were relieved went that was cancelled because it became almost painful to watch how far the quality had fallen.Eventually, Survivor will go when the audience leaves.The Cagney & Lacey cancellation launched a massive letter writing campaign.  If they cancelled NYPD Blue, I'm sure there'd also be a campaign.  And, truthfully, you don't really know how many online petitons are out there for shows that have been cancelled.   And you're ignoring what I said about all the other unseen pilots and episodes out there that are finished and sitting in a vault (Aren't there more Tick episodes?).Do you get Bravo?  They ran a couple of specials about this.  One was Brilliant But Cancelled in which they talked about shows which were well done but didn't last.  Some were too edgy, others were ahead of their time.They also did one on all the pilots and series that were never shown.  Admittedly, some looked so bad that I'm not surprised (The Man With The Power!).  Others were so strange, they could have been terrible or brilliant (The Tribe, which was an attempt to bring a Quest For Fire type series to the screen comes to mind).Ultimately, that's millions in lost income for the networks every year.  Granted, it used to be that a very few of the pilot movies are repackaged and shown theatrically overseas, but I'm not sure if they even do that anymore.In the end, they have fully finished products that no one will ever see.And unless there's something specific in Joss' contract, I doubt that we will ever see them (unless they dump them, unadvertised, mid-afternoon on a Sunday).From what I saw in one interview, one of the directors said that Joss was committed to putting the episodes aready shot out on dvd.  That's something, at least.Maybe if all the people who were willing to pay that money in the system you proposed instead bought the dvds, it would show Joss that there is a market for a direct-to-video series.  And you could sell the series as a tv series overseas.So, buy those Firefly dvds! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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