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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 626269" data-attributes="member: 177">Then do so.  Until you provide data and attribution, I'm sorry to say your claim is still classified as hearsay.  Asserting that you've seen a thing is not the same as actually presenting said thing.  *sigh*  Discussions on the whole would go more smoothly if people would simply remember the simple rule - show, don't tell.  If you've got proof, don't spend time saying you have it.  Just deliver it and be done.  The contention that sci-fi is more serialized in nature doesn't hold up well.  The modern prime time drama is pretty serialized - stop watching ER for a while, you get lost.  A large draw for some reality shows are their serial nature - watching the progression of the internal politics/interactions over time.Some Sci-fi shows are serial, but interestingly, the best rated ones - Star Trek shows, are highly episodic.  As were a number of shows lost during or at the end of their first seasons - GvsE, Brimstone, Crusade, and Firefly were all pretty much episodic at the time they were canned.This point #4 really only applies to B5 and Farscape, really.  They're the only recent long-run shows that were threatened with extinction.  Mostly, though, we're talking about shows killed at or before roughtly the 24th episode - while they are still "1st season.  Not that much had yet been invested, and so folks didn't have much to lose.  But there was still organized resistance for all of them.That'd be all well in good, if my original contention was about Firefly, specifically.  I believe if you re-read, you'll find that I've mentioned a belief that Neilsen ratings are inaccurate - meaning that I suspect they undercount sci-fi/fantasy viewers in general.  I also noted that I don't think this is certain.  Nor did I specifically claim that Firefly is inaccurately reported.  Given my general contention, the myriad possibilities still exist.  Some shows may get undercounted, some overcounted, for different reasons.  The end average may still be undercounting.Now, Mistwell, I really, really must ask you to pay attention.  I haven't suggested any "fix" for the Neilsen rating system.  In fact, I speciifcally stated, "The networks can go ahead and keep their ratings systems. This notion works within the system."  Elsewhere, I have even gone so far as to argue against a repeatedly mentioned "fix" for the system (using TiVo boxes as rating-meters).You really do have to be a bit more careful.  You'll find it hard to convince a person you are correct when you don't even keep straight which position they hold.</blockquote>

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