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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Bigkahuna" data-source="post: 6881095" data-attributes="member: 6808141">This is a common complaint though its worth pointing out that 5e has more in common with AD&D and the original vision Gygax had for the game then it does 3rd edition.  The core goal of early D&D editions was to create a system built on story and abstracted combat.  By the time 3rd edition came out it was back to being about simulating combat with an ever growing level of complexity, in fact there are at least 110 times as many rules in 3rd edition for combat as there ever were in chainmail, which is a direct polar opposite to what D&D conceptually was supposed to be.The fact that people like it is not surprising, people love combat games, its why combat and war makes up the large majority of all games across all platforms.  It is the most used theme in games period.  You might not feel the rules ever got in the way of role-playing because every group has its tolerance of what is "enough" role-playing and what depth is required for it to feel sufficient.Just to give you an example, I played in a recent game as a guest in a game of Pathfinder with a group that claimed "oh we role-play like crazy".  My take on it was that in 5 hours of playing, I saw a grand total of ZERO role-playing by my definition.  They where very satisfied with the game, I was very disappointed.In the end it just confirms the classic adage different strokes for different folks.  We are lucky to have a variety of editions to choose from, each catering to a different element of the game but in my experience 3rd and 4th edition where the periods of D&D where the absolute least amount of role-playing took place.  In fact by 4th edition, in particular in groups who entered into D&D during this edition, in my humble opinion, they have no idea what role-playing even is.  What I saw in most of these groups is people playing a table top battle game.. aka... chainmail.</blockquote>

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