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<blockquote data-quote="Sword of Spirit" data-source="post: 6883226" data-attributes="member: 6677017">I think that's a good way of getting to the heart of the matter. If a system has most sorts of actions highly codified with specific class or other features (such as feats) telling you when/if/how you can do them, and exactly what bonuses they provide, then it subtly discourages players and DMs from improvising. There is a thin line in player perception between &quot;Here is how you do this&quot; and &quot;This is the only way to do this.&quot;Since 5e has less codification, and not only encourage improvisation, but by virtue of lacking codified methods of doing things actually demands it, it is simply going to come up a lot more in play. As far as the system itself, advantage/disadvantage in some way fills the same roll as the +2/-2 arbitrary DM's best friend from prior editions, but unlike in prior editions where a DM might sit there and think, &quot;is this really a +2? Or is it more like a +3 or +4?&quot;, advantage doesn't give you that option. It's one size fit all. In addition, it's generally easier to accomplish improvised things (or even standard things like grappling) in 5e than in prior versions. Most improvised actions are just a DC X ability check (or maybe attack roll), or an opposed ability check. That's pretty much it. None of that &quot;First, is this a cool thing? If yes, provoke an attack of opportunity. Then take a -4 penalty on...&quot;Now, some people don't like any of those things (lack of codified options, one-size fits all arbitrary improvisation modifiers, simplified and easier improvisational action attempts) but they do make improvisation much more common and encouraged within 5e than in prior recent editions.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sword of Spirit, post: 6883226, member: 6677017"] I think that's a good way of getting to the heart of the matter. If a system has most sorts of actions highly codified with specific class or other features (such as feats) telling you when/if/how you can do them, and exactly what bonuses they provide, then it subtly discourages players and DMs from improvising. There is a thin line in player perception between "Here is how you do this" and "This is the only way to do this." Since 5e has less codification, and not only encourage improvisation, but by virtue of lacking codified methods of doing things actually demands it, it is simply going to come up a lot more in play. As far as the system itself, advantage/disadvantage in some way fills the same roll as the +2/-2 arbitrary DM's best friend from prior editions, but unlike in prior editions where a DM might sit there and think, "is this really a +2? Or is it more like a +3 or +4?", advantage doesn't give you that option. It's one size fit all. In addition, it's generally easier to accomplish improvised things (or even standard things like grappling) in 5e than in prior versions. Most improvised actions are just a DC X ability check (or maybe attack roll), or an opposed ability check. That's pretty much it. None of that "First, is this a cool thing? If yes, provoke an attack of opportunity. Then take a -4 penalty on..." Now, some people don't like any of those things (lack of codified options, one-size fits all arbitrary improvisation modifiers, simplified and easier improvisational action attempts) but they [I]do[/I] make improvisation much more common and encouraged within 5e than in prior recent editions. [/QUOTE]

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