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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Belphanior" data-source="post: 4013577" data-attributes="member: 12401">Oh come on now. Skills, feats, talents, race, alignment, spells, and good old fashioned roleplaying. There is so much out there to distuingishc characters. You're now arguing that characters are identical simply because their untrained skils be equally high, assuming equal ability scores and race. Can you honestly not see how ludicrous this is getting?I was using your own example of the 10th level fighter with the +5 Ride skill. So the real question is: how do you?*sigh*So you learn from bards' tales, your enemies, simple trial and error, NPCs you grouped with once or twice, or any of the other sources one can think of.You say you prefer the living breathing world of 3e over 4e, which has no/less artificial rules barriers. So why do you prefer the fiddly class/cross-class system of 3e which inevitably led to fighters having almost identical skill sets?I don't like repeating myself. But I can see that I may have to here.Your impressions have proven to be demonstrably false several times. By me and others. Scroll back up to find out how.Are you now using my speculation to make a new complaint against 4e? From just a guy on the internet? Your misgivings are starting to make sense...Since it's your complaint, the burden of proof lies with you actually. I'm not going to compare several monster books with stats we don't have yet and do your job for you.I'm with you right until the end. We've shown how 3e has quite some rules constraints too. But you brush them aside and claim 4e is worse. I know, you base yourself on your impressions. Which we've proven to be false. If you'd at least say "I think 4e will be worse" instead of "4e will be worse" you'd find this place to be a lot less opposed to your opinions. It's worth considering.</blockquote>

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