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<blockquote data-quote="Derren" data-source="post: 4013657" data-attributes="member: 2518"><p>How often have you seen characters in your game with the same ability scores in one stat? I have seen this very often.</p><p>I find it laughable that a beduine warrior from the desert should have the same swim skill as a warrior who lives near a river but never bothered to practice swimming very much.</p><p></p><p>When the skill is 1/2 level + ability score, with a possible +5 or +10 from feats (much less than what is possible in 3E except at very low level) and WoTC said that even untrained PCs have a chance of succeeding, how high do you think a "good" skill modifier is?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Bards tales must be really educating when you can practice physical skills just by listening to them.</p><p></p><p>First, I never said that D&D had no rules restrictions, just less than 4E will apparently have.</p><p>Second, fighters might have the similar prefered skills, but they still could choose individually which skills fit them and which didn't. You can take ranks in a cross class skill if you want after all.</p><p>(Thrid, they still had different attributes and race...)</p><p></p><p>I'm just telling you what would happen if rings are indeed this quasi-artifacts which would instantly break the game when a 9th level character gets his hands on even the lowest powered one.</p><p></p><p>Ok, when I have time I will extra for you list every out of combat ability every monster has.......</p><p></p><p>I don't brush them aside. Yes, 3E is also not perfect (nothing is except a complete freeform game) but I learned to live with them and to still create a seemingly living world despite those constraints.</p><p>And when I see all the previews and design philosophies for 4E it seems that achieving this in 4E will be much harder than before.</p><p></p><p>Edit:</p><p></p><p></p><p>Please reread the discussion. The question is how Belphanior knows that +5 will be a rather low skill score. When 10th level adventurers just have +5 to a skill and are still able to do level appropriate things with it then +5 is apparently not that low.</p><p>But Belphanior seems to know it better.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Derren, post: 4013657, member: 2518"] How often have you seen characters in your game with the same ability scores in one stat? I have seen this very often. I find it laughable that a beduine warrior from the desert should have the same swim skill as a warrior who lives near a river but never bothered to practice swimming very much. When the skill is 1/2 level + ability score, with a possible +5 or +10 from feats (much less than what is possible in 3E except at very low level) and WoTC said that even untrained PCs have a chance of succeeding, how high do you think a "good" skill modifier is? Bards tales must be really educating when you can practice physical skills just by listening to them. First, I never said that D&D had no rules restrictions, just less than 4E will apparently have. Second, fighters might have the similar prefered skills, but they still could choose individually which skills fit them and which didn't. You can take ranks in a cross class skill if you want after all. (Thrid, they still had different attributes and race...) I'm just telling you what would happen if rings are indeed this quasi-artifacts which would instantly break the game when a 9th level character gets his hands on even the lowest powered one. Ok, when I have time I will extra for you list every out of combat ability every monster has....... I don't brush them aside. Yes, 3E is also not perfect (nothing is except a complete freeform game) but I learned to live with them and to still create a seemingly living world despite those constraints. And when I see all the previews and design philosophies for 4E it seems that achieving this in 4E will be much harder than before. Edit: Please reread the discussion. The question is how Belphanior knows that +5 will be a rather low skill score. When 10th level adventurers just have +5 to a skill and are still able to do level appropriate things with it then +5 is apparently not that low. But Belphanior seems to know it better. [/QUOTE]
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