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<blockquote data-quote="Mustrum_Ridcully" data-source="post: 4017165" data-attributes="member: 710"><p>I think that might be a problem that all level-based systems have to face. People do want their characters become better, and if they can only get better in chunks of levels, there is a good chance that either:</p><p>- They don't get good enough and leveling feels pointless.</p><p>- they will improve significantly and you start as weakling and end up as superhero.</p><p>Maybe somewhere, there is a middle ground, but I think most of the time you end up with a system that is no longer level-based. </p><p></p><p>I think the first variant is nothing I'll ever want. If I will become uncomfortable with a PCs power, I should probably start a new campaign. But honestly, this only ever becomes a problem when a DM ends up overwhelmed handling the NPCs with similar abilities as the PCs, while at the same time trying to make up a plot that works... </p><p></p><p>Nnon-level based systems face other challenges. Most of the time, people start at a certain power level, and it takes forever for them to improve. You often start with specialized characters, and if you're lucky, their abiliies broaden. If not, the players hoard their XP/karma/build points/whatever to improve their core schtick and neglect side abilties. Also, advancement also crawls to the same degree as in the 1st variant of the level system.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mustrum_Ridcully, post: 4017165, member: 710"] I think that might be a problem that all level-based systems have to face. People do want their characters become better, and if they can only get better in chunks of levels, there is a good chance that either: - They don't get good enough and leveling feels pointless. - they will improve significantly and you start as weakling and end up as superhero. Maybe somewhere, there is a middle ground, but I think most of the time you end up with a system that is no longer level-based. I think the first variant is nothing I'll ever want. If I will become uncomfortable with a PCs power, I should probably start a new campaign. But honestly, this only ever becomes a problem when a DM ends up overwhelmed handling the NPCs with similar abilities as the PCs, while at the same time trying to make up a plot that works... Nnon-level based systems face other challenges. Most of the time, people start at a certain power level, and it takes forever for them to improve. You often start with specialized characters, and if you're lucky, their abiliies broaden. If not, the players hoard their XP/karma/build points/whatever to improve their core schtick and neglect side abilties. Also, advancement also crawls to the same degree as in the 1st variant of the level system. [/QUOTE]
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