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<blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 6106829" data-attributes="member: 1465">I am with you!D&amp;DN 1st level characters are already epic heroes, unfortunately for my tastes, since this makes it very hard to run a grim&amp;gritty game; it's always possible to add more stuff on top of a grim&amp;gritty 1st level, or just play a higher level game, but when level 1 is already heroic, it's impossible to turn it down (the best you can do is give scarce magic items).So given that, it is indeed a bit ridiculous on one side to keep adding more and more stuff to 1st level PCs, and on the other side to keep their hit points low. Personally I think the Con-based solution of the 1st (IIRC) playtest packet was quite good. At least they could bring it back as a Variant/Optional rule in a sidebar. But all in all, it's also pretty easy to house rule. E.g. an alternative could be to just use (at lv1 only) your full Constitution score in place of the Con bonus.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Li Shenron, post: 6106829, member: 1465"] I am with you! D&DN 1st level characters are already epic heroes, [I]unfortunately[/I] for my tastes, since this makes it very hard to run a grim&gritty game; it's always possible to add more stuff on top of a grim&gritty 1st level, or just play a higher level game, but when level 1 is already heroic, it's impossible to turn it down (the best you can do is give scarce magic items). So given that, it is indeed a bit ridiculous on one side to keep adding more and more stuff to 1st level PCs, and on the other side to keep their hit points low. Personally I think the Con-based solution of the 1st (IIRC) playtest packet was quite good. At least they could bring it back as a Variant/Optional rule in a sidebar. But all in all, it's also pretty easy to house rule. E.g. an alternative could be to just use (at lv1 only) your full Constitution score in place of the Con bonus. [/QUOTE]

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