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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dragonblade" data-source="post: 5269626" data-attributes="member: 2804">Great review and looks like a fantastic beginner product. As an experienced gamer and D&D player who has played all editions, its definitely not a product marketed to me.But as a beginner product it looks fantastic. Its well written and really leads you through both your first encounter and character creation at the same time. I thought the production values looked very good for all the stuff you get and the price.For those who say it looks flimsy compared to the old classic boxed sets, I have say that those are some serious Coke bottle nostalgia glasses you are wearing. I still have the original Red (Basic Rules) and Blue (Expert Rules) box out in my garage and this is ten times those old sets, both in quality in and in all the stuff you get. Power sheet cards, monster tokens, battlemat, fairly decent quality dice etc.Don't get me wrong. I loved those books and played the hell out of them, but, really it was two black and white books, and some godawful cheap plastic dice with a crayon you had to use yourself to color in the numbers with.D&D is THE gateway game for the entire industry. If WotC can bring in new players, thats not only good for 4e fans, thats good for all RPGs. Some players will migrate to Pathfinder, some to other systems both d20 and non-d20 systems. Trying to tear down WotC for bringing gamers into the hobby is horribly short-sighted, IMO. Less new 4e players also means less Pathfinder players in the long run. It means less Exalted players, it means less Castles and Crusades players, and so on.I don't get this whole attitude that WotC has to be torn down and criticized for everything they do by some old school fans. Really? "Stat inflation"? Thats the criticism?Come on, people! We're all in this together! I don't play Pathfinder, but I love what Paizo is doing with the line and I still buy some Pathfinder products. If Paizo puts out a Pathfinder beginner product I would be 100% behind it. Because in the long run, more Pathfinder players also means some of those players will experiment with Exalted or 4e, or some other game I like.It really upsets me no end when I see posts on forums that non-gamers frequent, or hear snide edition wars comments in the game or book stores directed at some poor curious kid who wants to know what this whole RPG thing is about. Its disgusting and disturbing that some gamers are so petty and so immature that they would rather turn away a curious kid than god forbid have them start playing an edition or game that they don't. I don't play Pathfinder, but if I saw a curious kid in a store flipping through a Pathfinder book but was hesitant, I would be totally encouraging."Great game, you should totally check it out!" is exactly what I would say.I wouldn't qualify my statement or even mention my own gaming preferences because you know what? IT DOESN'T MATTER. It doesn't matter whether I play 4e, or Pathfinder, or HERO, or whatever. What matters is that kid picks up that first RPG book and takes that first step into a fantastic hobby that will last a lifetime.</blockquote>

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