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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Feyd Rautha" data-source="post: 2920499" data-attributes="member: 19364">Just got back from seeing the film and I have to say that while I grant you your points I think that they were doing something which we, as individuals and a society, simply couldn't handle... giving Superman the benefit of the doubt.A couple things stand out to me and forgive me any jumps from your own personal logic, but I think I represent a "second core" audience for the film in that I am familiar with the Superman story, have never read the comics, and I am NOT applying the previous films.1.) I was never aware of a "Superman does not kill" maxim.  Batman is the one I think of when I think "does not kill people...period."  With Superman it is more of a goal and one he meets 99% of the time because of his immense power.  I do find it disturbing that the five-year-old son's first super act is killing someone, but given the circumstances it was an unavoidable storyline point...  If he had showed enough control of his power to simply disable the guy then I'd imagine more people would be bitching that "there is no way he should have that level of control".  What irks me more is that Lois and he act like they're just going to "try and forget it".  An interesting idea I had though was that they both knew all along and that he is under the strictest of instructions to control his powers.  Thus, his profuse apologies after throwing the piano.  Really though... include us if that is the case.2.) All this weird vibe stuff is there because we come from a cynical soceity.  Superman is beyond reproach he's the epitome of good and best intentions, but yet we STILL think he's 'stalking' Lois and a deadbeat dad?  Think what you will I guess, but I think it's disappointing that we can't simply let him be what he is (ultra good).3.) I see this film as a new beginning.  We all know who Superman is and his basic story.  It is not Superman 3 (remix) to me at all.  Further Superman OBVIOUSLY didn't know that he had left behind a son and so he wasn't "copping out", but they did do a VERY poor job of dealing with the fact that Lois HAD to know it was Superman's son (unless she's a slut and boned the new guy less than week after Superman).  Gives a good reason for why she hates Superman though.4.) Superman, Gay?  I think not... he has to look good (he's SUPERMAN!), we just associate looking good as a guy with gay (because they care more about their appearance)... as for the "grossly muscular" comment I'm confused?  Were you watching the Mr. Universe version?  I would count him as "fit and visibly strong" not "grossly muscular".  As for the sex thing in general...I really see Superman as a grown, puritanical teenager when it comes to sex.  The only person he ever really gets close to in that sense is Lois and his relationship with her is so awkward because he doesn't know diddly squat.  It's pure and simple.  Again... something we can't appreciate in our jaded world.5.) "Truth. Justice. All that stuff."  NOTE:  American way removed.  This film was inextricably tied to a commentary on our world today.  Unfortunately, again, we couldn't just accept it because we can't just fathom a being that is just pure and good.Things I really liked about the movie (that you'll probably rip to pieces):*Superman's code and that you can indeed see him as a genuinely good being if you just accept it.*The homage with the opening credits*The fact that they revisited once again the theme of his everyone vs. Lois dillemna... and that he chose the greater good at his own heart's peril again.*That he didn't die. (Sometimes it's the little things)*That he did have the "savior" themes surrounding him.  I mean if that's a beef when you go to see Superman then that's a little odd and  contradictory.*Fun stuff... Kryptonian + Human = Superman w/o Kryptonite vulnerability (Luthor suspects, but the kid shows no effect)Things they I would have done differently:*Put Richard in on the info.  At the end it seems that he knows Superman is the kid's dad, but in the beginning it doesn't seem that way.  Why is he suffering from the fuzzy math?  (BTW, I think it's fairly clear that Lois knows throughout the whole film.  Why else would she hate him so much).*I know it complicates things, but you have to have Superman instruct the kid at some point.  The last speech seemed like it was him talking like he was leaving again or at least that he wasn't going to take the kid under his wing and just watch from afar.  Of course I missed part of it b/c I got drawn into the phone conversation the teens to the right of me were having...*Superman getting the crap kicked out of him and going back for more.  The problem with Superman has always been that it's just boring to have the only challenge you can have him face is too many people to save and too little time.  Two thugs and they guy from the White Castle movie beating him senseless is refreshing.*Cool effect to have the guy unloading on Superman at point blank with the minicannon, but just for a bank robbery?  That gun would have probably cost more than their entire haul especially with the military chopper included.  And they didn't neutralize the guards when they came in the place?  You can't try and put it in the real world and then have something as campy as that thrown in.  Great scene though.*Off of that last one... commit Mr. Singer... commit.  They're trying to make it what the movie should have been... a serious story about the complexities of superherodom, but they keep throwing in taglines for the previews ("It's a bird.  It's a plane. No. It's...You wanted to see me?"; Luthor as comic relief).  An action-drama about Superman didn't test well I guess.*More oomph.  I feel let down by the denouement.  You can't clear up the very messy relationship you threw at us between Lois, Superman, their son, and Richard with "I'm always around".  More please...  BTW, back to the whole "Superman" is almost asexual thing from before (at leave super naive)...  Interesting that the guy she goes to after the "plastic man" leaves is a guy named Dick.Overall I give this one 3.5 out of 5 stars.  Too many masters and therefore not enough of the important stuff.</blockquote>

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