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<blockquote data-quote="Ffaelfarrin" data-source="post: 4770428" data-attributes="member: 82461">Sorry for the late answer, haven't been here for a while.For a really good guide on gishs just type &quot;gish builds&quot; in google and look for a link to the wizards forums.With quite a lot of the builds presented there you will hit 5th level spellcasting.Elso do what I have done: rework a class to your needs and check with your DM. I'm a elven Bladesinger, reworked to 3/4 spellprogression and improved Song of Celerity.But this was only to prevent me from dipping into x classes.In your case you could still choose to pick the Eldritch knight PrC. 9/10 Spellprogression, full BAB and one extra feat are quite nice (even though I miss the fluff of this PrC)You'd hit 5th level spells around 15th level I guess (without calculating exactly...)I myself never have the feeling that I am useless with my gish.Especially now (we arrived at 8th level the session before the last) my build is really beginning to rock. AC of &gt;35, ranged attacks (arrow and spell) and able to do quite some damage in melee (see my other thread; spell storing weapon + &quot;combust&quot; from the spell compendium - else vampiric touch would work quite well) speak for themselves.I think soon I'll begin to top even our main &quot;tank&quot;, a halfling duskblade <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Any you may not forget: You can still use scrolls/wands and the like. With wizard levels (=&gt; learn new spells) you are very versatile. Even you cant cast as much as a sorcerer. And to solve this problemm, gtet a ring of wizardry. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ffaelfarrin, post: 4770428, member: 82461"] Sorry for the late answer, haven't been here for a while. For a really good guide on gishs just type "gish builds" in google and look for a link to the wizards forums. With quite a lot of the builds presented there you will hit 5th level spellcasting. Elso do what I have done: rework a class to your needs and check with your DM. I'm a elven Bladesinger, reworked to 3/4 spellprogression and improved Song of Celerity. But this was only to prevent me from dipping into x classes. In your case you could still choose to pick the Eldritch knight PrC. 9/10 Spellprogression, full BAB and one extra feat are quite nice (even though I miss the fluff of this PrC) You'd hit 5th level spells around 15th level I guess (without calculating exactly...) I myself never have the feeling that I am useless with my gish. Especially now (we arrived at 8th level the session before the last) my build is really beginning to rock. AC of >35, ranged attacks (arrow and spell) and able to do quite some damage in melee (see my other thread; spell storing weapon + "combust" from the spell compendium - else vampiric touch would work quite well) speak for themselves. I think soon I'll begin to top even our main "tank", a halfling duskblade ;) Any you may not forget: You can still use scrolls/wands and the like. With wizard levels (=> learn new spells) you are very versatile. Even you cant cast as much as a sorcerer. And to solve this problemm, gtet a ring of wizardry. ;) [/QUOTE]

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