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<blockquote data-quote="Mercule" data-source="post: 4233024" data-attributes="member: 5100">As do I.&nbsp; The &quot;Chaotic Evil&quot; bit doesn't really bother me so much because one meaning (the original?) is, basically, a universal void -- Chaos is that which came before creation.&nbsp; If that don't fit demons (at least how I've always used them) I don't know what does.&nbsp; I can agree that such a focus is both Evil and... something else.&nbsp; That something else may as well have &quot;Chaotic&quot; as an adjective.I'm less sanguine about the use of &quot;Law&quot; as an appendix to &quot;Good&quot;, though.&nbsp; Whose law?&nbsp; Is it still expressly the opposite of Chaos?&nbsp; If so, in what way?&nbsp; Surely not just &quot;creation is good&quot;, otherwise, we're looking at a Werewolf-type Weaver, which wasn't Good.&nbsp; Obedience to the creator(s)?&nbsp; That fits fine into my Christian perspective, but D&amp;D is polytheistic with explicitly fallible deities.&nbsp; Or is it simply to Order, in general -- in which case, I submit they have placed an arguable Evil as a designated Good.Of course, none of our concerns may be valid.&nbsp; We don't know, though, because WotC decided to make a point of telling us what the new alignment system is without giving any real info.&nbsp; Bullet points on a long-standing source of flame wars was probably not the greatest PR idea.&nbsp; Then again, we're still talking about 4e.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mercule, post: 4233024, member: 5100"] As do I. The "Chaotic Evil" bit doesn't really bother me so much because one meaning (the original?) is, basically, a universal void -- Chaos is that which came before creation. If that don't fit demons (at least how I've always used them) I don't know what does. I can agree that such a focus is both Evil and... something else. That something else may as well have "Chaotic" as an adjective. I'm less sanguine about the use of "Law" as an appendix to "Good", though. Whose law? Is it still expressly the opposite of Chaos? If so, in what way? Surely not just "creation is good", otherwise, we're looking at a Werewolf-type Weaver, which wasn't Good. Obedience to the creator(s)? That fits fine into my Christian perspective, but D&D is polytheistic with explicitly fallible deities. Or is it simply to Order, in general -- in which case, I submit they have placed an arguable Evil as a designated Good. Of course, none of our concerns may be valid. We don't know, though, because WotC decided to make a point of telling us what the new alignment system is without giving any real info. Bullet points on a long-standing source of flame wars was probably not the greatest PR idea. Then again, we're still talking about 4e. [/QUOTE]

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