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Message: <blockquote data-quote="hong" data-source="post: 4235306" data-attributes="member: 537">I am taking issue with your statementThe 4Ed take doesn't seem to recognize that good can arise from chaos, or that evil can be spawned from lawYou can read the 4E system as saying that Lawful Good is a better, purer type of good than Good. You can also read it as saying that Lawful Good is a worse, more compromised type of good than Good. You can also read it as saying that Good people are chaotic by default, so there is no reason to give it a longer label; while Lawful Good is a special type of Good that is neither better nor worse, just different.Furthermore, you can represent just as many practical viewpoints within the 4E system as before. You will not be able to represent characters who are supposed to be exemplars of a cosmological type of chaos (or law), but very few characters IME are like that. In practice, a chaotic alignment far more often correlates to chaos on a personal or political level, ie the kind of personality who is unrestrained or values personal freedom. You much more often have Tasslehoff Burrfoot than Elric. And Tas falls easily into the unaligned bucket, or G/E depending on how you view him. Heck, you could even view Elric himself as unaligned, even if those he serves are C/L.And this makes sense. With things in 3E like chaotic spells and weapons, which have actual effects based on alignment, having them trigger off someone's personality simply trivialised the C/L axis. Better to cut down that axis, while at the same time acknowledging that some types of C/L characters -- (old-style) paladins, angels and demons -- are qualitatively different to most other Good or Evil characters, AND present in large enough numbers that they deserve special treatment.Why?</blockquote>

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