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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 8417904" data-attributes="member: 7030563">Those feats are not as powerful as people make them out to be, in large part because you are giving up an entire ASI to get them.  In terms of math they are a -6 to hit for a +9 to damage and a couple ribbons on top of that.  In game play they will be about +3 damage per attack in tier 2 for most enemies you face while having lower skill checks, being worse at evading grapples and lower saving throws. You don't see  how because you are not following through and doing the math.A 4th level fighter with 18 strength swinging a greatsword against a 15AC foe does 6.95DPRA 4th level fighter with a 16 strength swinging a greatsword with a -2 attack and +4 damage against a 15AC foe is doing 6.65 DPR.Compared to someone who took the ASI, the only enemies you will do more damage on at 4th level are enemies with an AC 12 and below. So the guy who took this "rebalanced" feat instead of the ASI in strength is getting lower damage on the vast majority of enemies, has lower strength saves and lower strength checks.  This is not a fair trade at all!Fey touched  and shadow touched are more powerful  feats overall and many others are equals to these.   Magic initiate with booming blade or green flame blade will boost weapon damage more in tier 2 and 3 for most builds than SS or GWM will will and you get another cantrip and a spell on top of the extra damage.</blockquote>