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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Spatzimaus" data-source="post: 349938" data-attributes="member: 3051">(a bit long)I was trying to overhaul Craft skills, too, because of the Fabricate power/spell (which in its written form lets you make Crafted items instantly).  The problem was, well, look at swords.  A masterwork one is DC 20.  So, thanks to that spell, I could take a block of Adamantite and instantly make a nice sword just by Taking 10, if I had enough skill ranks to get a +10 bonus.  Or Mithril, or Flowstone, or Gartine, or whatever other material you can think of, it's all DC 20.I don't think the problem is crafting time, it's that the core rules don't handle exotic materials well.  On this board about a year ago, we came up with a nice system for materials.  Basically, each type of metal had its own DC modifier, cost multiplier, etc.  Let's say I wanted to make a Mithril Longsword.  Take the base DC for the sword (let's say 17; use the numbers in the PHB but tweak a few), add the Mithril DC modifier (+6), and it's now DC 23.  Mithril might have a Cost Multiplier of 30, so now you can use the existing rules.  "Masterwork" can either be just a name for anything Fine Steel or better, or you could add it as a Quality modifier (DC+3, cost higher) and say that magical items need Masterwork Quality.But you were also talking about more complex stuff, like Shipbuilding.  There, I think the solution is just a lot of synergy bonuses.  Craft: Tailor?  Sure, also carpenter or blacksmith.  Profession: Sailor, Knowledge: Engineering, whatever you can reasonably justify as being useful.  If they have 1-3 ranks give them a +1, if they have 4-9 give a +2, 10 or more gives a +3.  It'll add up.</blockquote>

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