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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Firebeetle" data-source="post: 2754467" data-attributes="member: 34506">We have the technology, gentlemen, we can rebuild him.Why? You wouldn't even blink if a wizard or cleric of similar level did something like that. We have to get past the mindset that bards should be second-rateGood idea, I'm liking the spell-less bard with many bard feats idea.  I think we have the basis of a variant class here that is much better.Then why, my prehistoric twisted appendage, do you NEVER see monsters with extra levels of bard? Fighter, sure, sorcerer, of course, cleric, yeah, rogue, you bet, wizard, time to time, bard, are you kidding?  Our goal needs to be this. . .DM: There are 10 gnolls bearing down on you. . .Player 1: nothing flurry of blows can't handle.DM: with a skinny gnoll who is casting a spell.Player 2: I can dispell thatDM: and a large gnoll who is dual-wielding swordsPlayer 3: I can take him.DM: and a gnoll with a guitarPlayers (all): Crap! How can we get out of here!I think we should strip the bard class down to absolute basics and rebuild using the feat system.  Here is my file on what's been mentioned on this thread so far.</blockquote>