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<blockquote data-quote="Zimbel" data-source="post: 2800234" data-attributes="member: 29912"><p><strong>Bard 3.51</strong></p><p></p><p>Inspire Fear - seems a bit strong for LV 3. I'd limit the number of targets to a maximum of, say, 1/3 the bard's level.</p><p></p><p>Parry - fairly complex rule for emulating, basically, a miss chance. I'd just give the Bard a +1 to Dodge AC/5-6 LV, or +1/4 if you want to limit it significnatly (like to 1 opponent).</p><p></p><p>Song of Restoration - Nice idea, but I have two suggestions: 1) split it up, with the less significant conditions at lower level(s) and the more significant one(s) at higher level(s). 2) Note that this means that any party with a Bard need not sleep, as long as the bard saves 1 song/day (I'd tend to remove Fatigued/Exhausted from the list, but your taste may vary).</p><p></p><p>I'd also seperate out the two varients of Song of Restoration into seperate names. I have no other issues with the second varient (other than the first will reduce the usefulness of the second).</p><p></p><p>Sleep - I like this one!</p><p></p><p>Dominate Person - I think there are copy/paste errors here. Personally, I'd have the domination avalible a couple levels before a Wiz could get the spell, but require performance for the duration of the domination.</p><p></p><p>Legend Lore - I don't understand the purpose of this ability; it seems to overlap with Bardic Knowledge, and one can get the same effect via a spell.</p><p></p><p>Song of Freedom - I know you didn't change it, but I think there should be an option to speed it up enough to be combat-effective at the cost of additional bardic songs.</p><p></p><p>Song of Dance, Dominate Monster - This is in the table, but the abiilty dosen't seem to be listed.</p><p></p><p>Melody of the Free Mind - A second saving throw is really nice; I'd probably nix the morale bonus.</p><p></p><p>RAT-A-TAT - I'm not clear; is the first option a -3 to AC, or a -6 Dex penalty? If the former, this is a very weak bardic ability; I'd reduce the number of bardic music uses/day to 1, and pump up the number of targets to, say 1/5 level. If it's the latter, I'd probably remove the second option (it's pointless in comparison), reduce the number of bardic music uses/day to 1, and grant a save (perhaps after the first round). The reason I consider them very different is that one's a minor penalty, whereas the other could cause paralysis (in low-dex creatures).</p><p></p><p>Soldier's March - I'd up the usage to, say 1 bardic music use/hour. I'd probably remove the Cha limit.</p><p></p><p>Tounguetwister - this is a rough DC. At LV 20 (both caster and bard), that's a DC 44 Concentration check. Unless +Concentration items are plentiful in your campaign, I'd replace this with an opposed check (Perform vs Concentration). This still should be pretty nice for high-level bards, and less campaign-dependant - they typically focus on Perform a lot more than casters do on concentration.</p><p></p><p>Overall comments: I don't notice any spells for this bard. While I agree that a spelless bard may be desirable, I am highly sceptical that you've made up for the lack of spells with a handful of bardic songs, 1 HP/LV, and a parry bonus.</p><p></p><p>I'd also add the OGL license to your work.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Zimbel, post: 2800234, member: 29912"] [b]Bard 3.51[/b] Inspire Fear - seems a bit strong for LV 3. I'd limit the number of targets to a maximum of, say, 1/3 the bard's level. Parry - fairly complex rule for emulating, basically, a miss chance. I'd just give the Bard a +1 to Dodge AC/5-6 LV, or +1/4 if you want to limit it significnatly (like to 1 opponent). Song of Restoration - Nice idea, but I have two suggestions: 1) split it up, with the less significant conditions at lower level(s) and the more significant one(s) at higher level(s). 2) Note that this means that any party with a Bard need not sleep, as long as the bard saves 1 song/day (I'd tend to remove Fatigued/Exhausted from the list, but your taste may vary). I'd also seperate out the two varients of Song of Restoration into seperate names. I have no other issues with the second varient (other than the first will reduce the usefulness of the second). Sleep - I like this one! Dominate Person - I think there are copy/paste errors here. Personally, I'd have the domination avalible a couple levels before a Wiz could get the spell, but require performance for the duration of the domination. Legend Lore - I don't understand the purpose of this ability; it seems to overlap with Bardic Knowledge, and one can get the same effect via a spell. Song of Freedom - I know you didn't change it, but I think there should be an option to speed it up enough to be combat-effective at the cost of additional bardic songs. Song of Dance, Dominate Monster - This is in the table, but the abiilty dosen't seem to be listed. Melody of the Free Mind - A second saving throw is really nice; I'd probably nix the morale bonus. RAT-A-TAT - I'm not clear; is the first option a -3 to AC, or a -6 Dex penalty? If the former, this is a very weak bardic ability; I'd reduce the number of bardic music uses/day to 1, and pump up the number of targets to, say 1/5 level. If it's the latter, I'd probably remove the second option (it's pointless in comparison), reduce the number of bardic music uses/day to 1, and grant a save (perhaps after the first round). The reason I consider them very different is that one's a minor penalty, whereas the other could cause paralysis (in low-dex creatures). Soldier's March - I'd up the usage to, say 1 bardic music use/hour. I'd probably remove the Cha limit. Tounguetwister - this is a rough DC. At LV 20 (both caster and bard), that's a DC 44 Concentration check. Unless +Concentration items are plentiful in your campaign, I'd replace this with an opposed check (Perform vs Concentration). This still should be pretty nice for high-level bards, and less campaign-dependant - they typically focus on Perform a lot more than casters do on concentration. Overall comments: I don't notice any spells for this bard. While I agree that a spelless bard may be desirable, I am highly sceptical that you've made up for the lack of spells with a handful of bardic songs, 1 HP/LV, and a parry bonus. I'd also add the OGL license to your work. [/QUOTE]
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