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Message: <blockquote data-quote="CapnZapp" data-source="post: 6920376" data-attributes="member: 12731">Well, my concern is "not having a low save".After all, what we here discuss as "high" saves are nothing close to the 3E era of invincible saves (thanks to how multiclassing let you add +2 for each cherrypicked prestige class).Except possibly for the Paladin's aura, even a fully tricked out save does not come even close to autosuccess on a DC 20 or DC 25 save.So while I agree in principle I don't see it in practice. You will only ever manage to focus on two stats. If you need both those stats to achieve a great save, it means one out of two things:a) you never get a truly great saveb) you only get a truly great save by sacrificing both the othersI simply mean that while on the surface "you can't get a high save by focusing on one stat" sounds perfectly reasonable, I would argue it is more important to ensure a high level hero stands a reasonable chance at not having any truly horrid saves.I mean, to me there is nothing wrong with a trio of saves like +12, +6, +6 where you have stat+prof, prof and stat, respectively.Then you could choose instead +12, +12, +0 or some other combination, but as a reasonable choice, and not by some nearly inescapable fundamental design decision.And if you choose two feats, you'd end up with +12, +12, +6. Still fine. I'd even go so far as to consider allowing Resilience to stack with class proficiency. If a character wanted an +18 save at the expense of having +6, +0 in the other two, what's the damage in that?PS. Feel free to consider any number low-balled. I'm perfectly aware it would be easy to turn a +0 into a +2 or a +6 into a +7 for example. Still, we're talking about a level 20 character, so nothing untoward there.</blockquote>

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