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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 7207575" data-attributes="member: 2525">It really doesn't say that. You guys are interpreting it that way when there are multiple interpretations, and instead of taking the logical one you're choosing to take the one you acknowledge isn't logical.If the circumstances are such that you wouldn't normally be able to hear where a specific creature is at, you need to make a perception check against a fixed DC set by the environment and circumstances, not a hide check. Not all perception checks are against a hide check. &quot;Perception: Your Wisdom (Perception) check lets you spot, hear, or otherwise detect the presence of something. It measures your general awareness of your surroundings and the keenness of your senses...&quot; In this case, when you're in darkness attacking someone in darkness and you're all in combat and it would be hard to determine who is who with just hearing, you're going to need a perception check against a fixed DC appropriate to that situation, to &quot;hear or otherwise detect the presence of something...[as a] measure [of] your general awareness of your surroundings and the keenness of your senses.&quot; That's not a house rule, it's just how the 5e type of rules (which focuses on rulings and not rules) tends to operate. It's circumstantial. Particularly with this part of the rules that constantly emphasizes a DM's call.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 7207575, member: 2525"] It really doesn't say that. You guys are interpreting it that way when there are multiple interpretations, and instead of taking the logical one you're choosing to take the one you acknowledge isn't logical. If the circumstances are such that you wouldn't normally be able to hear where a specific creature is at, you need to make a perception check against a fixed DC set by the environment and circumstances, not a hide check. Not all perception checks are against a hide check. "Perception: Your Wisdom (Perception) check lets you spot, hear, or otherwise detect the presence of something. It measures your general awareness of your surroundings and the keenness of your senses..." In this case, when you're in darkness attacking someone in darkness and you're all in combat and it would be hard to determine who is who with just hearing, you're going to need a perception check against a fixed DC appropriate to that situation, to "hear or otherwise detect the presence of something...[as a] measure [of] your general awareness of your surroundings and the keenness of your senses." That's not a house rule, it's just how the 5e type of rules (which focuses on rulings and not rules) tends to operate. It's circumstantial. Particularly with this part of the rules that constantly emphasizes a DM's call. [/QUOTE]

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