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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9463582" data-attributes="member: 7030563">I kind of disagree with the entire premise.  I play in several games with optimizers and have done my fair bit of optimizing myself.To start with many games roll abilities and some others use standard array.  Even on point buy games I have very rarely seen the 3-16s and 3-8s.  Usually on PB you will see 16-17 or two 16s on the two main stats and then the rest of the points split between 2 or 3 scores.Also martials don't really need to push their main score.  A lot of Rogues, Monks, Paladins and Fighters go to level 20 with a 16 in dexterity or strength.  Spellcasters do need to put more into their spellcasting stat generally, but it is pretty common to start with a 17 and get 3 half feats to push it to 20 at level 12 instead of level 8.  In that respect Warcaster being a half feat now is pretty great for casters.Finally, Constitution is way overvalued by the community in general (including many players at my tables, most of the optimization guides and even the new PHB).  There are a lot of people who won't play without a 16 Constitution and I am rarely playing with more than a 12 on Point buy.   If you accept that yes you can play an awesome Fighter or Wizard or Ranger with a 10 or 12 Constitution all the way to 20th level and be perfectly fine, then you have a lot more points available for other stats.</blockquote>