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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Matrixryu" data-source="post: 4876430" data-attributes="member: 84553">Yea, I'm going to have to get that tested out some time when I'm more awake.  Just so you know, I used <a href="http://afterlifeguild.org/Thott/nwn/" target="_blank">D&D/DDO/NWN Melee Damage Tool</a> to do the calculations.  I found a way to cheat with it and calculate the attacks that I wanted by setting setting the BAB to 0 and using the enhancement bonuses to adjust the accuracy of the two attacks (main hand was attack 1, offhand was attack 2).  I just used the left side as the 'standard DnD iterative attacks' and used the left to compare it to various alternative attack modes.  I found that using flurry for 0/0 and using 0/-5 with 50% boosts both did just a little more damage (from 0 to 25% more at the very peak) than the standard 0/-5/-10/-15.  The only problem is that having fewer attacks means you don't do as well against large numbers of enemies, but maybe that'll make whirlwind attack stink less.It would be good if a 2nd person tried it out though, maybe I miscalcuated.Yea, I know exactly what you mean.  I haven't let any of that come up in my game yet, but this is why I'm trying to come up with alternatives before it actually happens XD  I have actually been thinking of making a 'paragon creature' class which boosts a creature's natural attacks and abilities.  It is based on the paragon template in theory, but less OP, lol.Hmmmm, something like what you just mentioned with the Double and Tripple attack feats could work, I'll have to think on that.  I don't think I would make TWF work with natural attacks though because that could get confusing with some creatures.Yea, you're party right.  I just checked in DND and natural animals don't get size growth with hit dice increases.  However, there are a few non dragon types that do, dire animals, magical beasts, and abberations seem to grow as their HD increase.  <a href="http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Dire_Bear" target="_blank">SRD<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />ire Bear - D&D Wiki</a>  <a href="http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Aboleth" target="_blank">SRD:Aboleth - D&D Wiki</a> <a href="http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Owlbear" target="_blank">SRD:Owlbear - D&D Wiki</a>But yea, those aren't real world creatures XD  But that's where I got the idea that HD increases size.I think I'm going to just try and make that paragon class that I mentioned earlier.  I want a standardized way that I can increase any creature's power because you're right about things getting too complicated with HD increases.  It'll be hard to make it be balanced for all creatures, but it'll be worth a try.  I think I'll make it focused on things that have a bite and 2 claw attacks.Hah, that would probably be a good idea, though honestly I do a lot of my posting either late at night or when I'm at work so I don't know if you would ever see me XD  What chat system are you talking about using?</blockquote>

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