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<blockquote data-quote="Anax" data-source="post: 2647294" data-attributes="member: 19868"><p>Opinions may vary, I suppose. I find it much much easier to explain the rules, to find out when and how you can perform a specific action (like withdrawing), and so on using the 3.5 rules. The changes were certainly not pointless, although those of us who internalized the old rules probably didn’t <em>need</em> the new system.</p><p></p><p>The thing that gets to me is that the new system says pretty much exactly the same thing the old system did... only it says it in a way that is much less ambiguous and much easier to follow. Why would anybody not like that?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What’s broken about the 3.0 version? The fact that it took me fifteen minutes of flipping through my book to be absolutely sure that without Quick Draw you cannot in fact draw a weapon while withdrawing. The fact that actually, it’s very much open to interpretation whether you can do that in 3.0. Let’s take a look:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Now, my take on this is that the rule is: if you do <em>nothing</em> but move on your turn, you don’t provoke attacks for leaving the first space you were in. If you do anything else (including take a free action to do something), you’ve done something other than move, and therefore you are subject to an attack of opportunity for that first space. It is also reasonable to interpret this as allowing a free action, since they’re kind of special, but I wouldn’t interpret it that way. And clearly, you’re not allowed to draw a weapon while you do this in 3.0.</p><p></p><p>Now, in 3.5, we have:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Here, there is no such ambiguity. It’s a full round action, it has the same mechanical effect as the old rules for not provoking when all you do is move, but you are also <em>definitely</em> allowed to perform a free action in the same round. It’s still prohibited to draw a weapon without the benefit of the Quick Draw feat, but now there’s no doubt at all that you may draw a weapon using Quick Draw if you wish. You can also definitely drop a weapon (a free action) now, whereas in the 3.0 rules this was subject to the same ambiguity as all other free actions.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>ANYway, way off the topic at hand, so I’ll stop now.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Anax, post: 2647294, member: 19868"] Opinions may vary, I suppose. I find it much much easier to explain the rules, to find out when and how you can perform a specific action (like withdrawing), and so on using the 3.5 rules. The changes were certainly not pointless, although those of us who internalized the old rules probably didn’t [i]need[/i] the new system. The thing that gets to me is that the new system says pretty much exactly the same thing the old system did... only it says it in a way that is much less ambiguous and much easier to follow. Why would anybody not like that? What’s broken about the 3.0 version? The fact that it took me fifteen minutes of flipping through my book to be absolutely sure that without Quick Draw you cannot in fact draw a weapon while withdrawing. The fact that actually, it’s very much open to interpretation whether you can do that in 3.0. Let’s take a look: Now, my take on this is that the rule is: if you do [i]nothing[/i] but move on your turn, you don’t provoke attacks for leaving the first space you were in. If you do anything else (including take a free action to do something), you’ve done something other than move, and therefore you are subject to an attack of opportunity for that first space. It is also reasonable to interpret this as allowing a free action, since they’re kind of special, but I wouldn’t interpret it that way. And clearly, you’re not allowed to draw a weapon while you do this in 3.0. Now, in 3.5, we have: Here, there is no such ambiguity. It’s a full round action, it has the same mechanical effect as the old rules for not provoking when all you do is move, but you are also [i]definitely[/i] allowed to perform a free action in the same round. It’s still prohibited to draw a weapon without the benefit of the Quick Draw feat, but now there’s no doubt at all that you may draw a weapon using Quick Draw if you wish. You can also definitely drop a weapon (a free action) now, whereas in the 3.0 rules this was subject to the same ambiguity as all other free actions. ANYway, way off the topic at hand, so I’ll stop now. [/QUOTE]
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