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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sadrik" data-source="post: 4819285" data-attributes="member: 14506">This is true, however, the DCs seems to outstrip the save bonuses in some cases. Classes that have a good will save and utilize wisdom, or dex and ref or fort and con seem to have a really good shot at succeeding against maximized DCs at the upper levels, but anyone else falls short and not by just a little they fall way short. Standardizing the saves is the beginning of the solution and leveling the DCs is the completion of that loop. So, to continue I think that the 10 + 1/2 CL is too good for the number spread that we are looking at. It also gives 1st level spells up to a +9 bonus and that might be a bit high.I don't buy the argument. If it is too good at upper level with a level appropriate DC then it is too good at lower level too then.Another proposal I had for 3e and fixing the top end of spellcasters. I can't find the thread now... Mind you this is very sweeping and requires new charts and what not but I thought that the spells could be broken into every 3 levels you get a new spell level (for full casters) rather than every 2. In this way levels 1-6 spells are in play within 20 levels and levels 7-9 are pushed out into the epic levels, making many of the wonky SoDs and other really ground breaking magic epic. To make this work, you want to give the classes the same amount of spells they had previously so if a level 5 wizard had 3/2/1 the level 5 wizard under this would still have 6 spell slots.This change would go well with the above every three levels you add +1 DC because in this case it would be: "you get a DC bonus equal to the highest spell level you can cast".The point of that thread was to limit spellcasters and make them more comparable to non-spellcasters.</blockquote>

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