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<blockquote data-quote="seasong" data-source="post: 755867" data-attributes="member: 5137">Please forgive me if I step on any toes. This is a topic I've been playing with as well, and I wanted to share some of my results.My Assumptions and ResultsLevel: Age 0-11 is level 0; age 12-13 is level 1 (apprentice); age 14-15 is level 2 (senior apprentice/journeyman); age 16-17 is level 3 (full journeyman, max skill +10, 2-3 feats); each 2 years thereafter represents a level (see CR assumptions, below).CR: People tend to face threats in GROUPS; those best suited to facing threats are brought together to face those threats; the highest level people are highly mobile and imminently capable of finding and attacking the threats best suited to them; threats (like most ecologies) tend to rarify the higher they are, just like the population numbers. People tend to face 3-10 threats in the course of a year (of +/- 2 CRs to their level), based on the dangerousness of the D&amp;D default worlds. The survival rate for this is pretty good (49 deaths per 1,000 people of a given age) due to organization and the fact that a CR of level+1 or lower is generally non-lethal against groups. AT AGE 13 AND LOWER, I assumed a death rate of only 5 per 1,000 people, assuming (rather optimistically) that they would generally be better protected and closer to mundane death rates (stillbirths and sickly births are ignored as part of a reduced birthrate). AT AGE 72 AND UP, adventuring STOPS; everytime I ran this, the death rate went through the roof when combined with the 2d20 roll, lost attributes (D&amp;D's aging rules) and CR deaths combined - people who continue to fight past age 71 die quick, so the assumption is that they are reserved for emergences. This restricts levels to level 30.Urbanization: If we assume that plant growth is not an urban multiplier (I think it is, but that's a whole 'nother controversy <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />), it should at the very least result in a maximized normal urban population (as if for extremely fertile and efficient farmland). That's about 15% urbanization (150 people out of every 1,000 total population are urban). A single level 5 cleric with plant growth with WIS 16 and the Plant Domain can, over the course of a year, cover 1,250 square miles (150,000 total population at a land density of 60). So we need seven 5th level or higher clerics per million people in the numbers below.With a 1,000,000 population, here is the rough breakdown by level:level 0 (0-11) - 347,512 (34.75%)level 1 - 61,151 (6.12%)level 2 - 56,588 (5.66%)level 3 - 51,178 (5.12%)level 4 - 46,285 (4.63%)level 5 - 41,861 (4.19%)level 6 - 37,859 (3.79%)level 7 - 34,239 (3.42%)level 8 - 30,966 (3.10%)level 9 - 28,006 (2.80%)level 10 - 25,329 (2.53%)level 11 - 22,907 (2.29%)level 12 - 20,717 (2.07%)level 13 - 18,737 (1.87%)level 14 - 16,945 (1.69%)level 15 - 15,326 (1.53%)level 16 - 13,860 (1.39%)level 17 - 12,535 (1.25%)level 18 - 11,337 (1.13%)level 19 - 10,253 (1.03%)level 20 - 9,273 (0.93%)level 21 - 8,387 (0.84%)level 22 - 7,585 (0.76%)level 23 - 6,860 (0.69%)level 24 - 6,204 (0.62%)level 25 - 5,611 (0.56%)level 26 - 5,074 (0.51%)level 27 - 4,589 (0.46%)level 28 - 4,151 (0.42%)level 29 - 3,754 (0.38%)level 30 - 3,395 (0.34%)level 30 geezer - 31,528 (3.15%)Class Distribution: On a 3d6 distribution, 46,296.3 people will have one attribute of 16+. Of those, 7,001.6 will have a 12+ in 2 other attributes. I'll mark that as &quot;PC classes&quot;. Everyone else consists of &quot;NPC classes&quot;. Here's my rough PC class ratings:[CODE][color=skyblue]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; STR DEX CON INT WIS CHR&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Rarity ModifierBarbarian&nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp;&nbsp; 2&nbsp;&nbsp; 2&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; x0.1Bard&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 3&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 2&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; x1Cleric&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 2&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 5&nbsp;&nbsp; 3&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; x2Druid&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 3&nbsp;&nbsp; 2&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 5&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; x0.5Fighter&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp;&nbsp; 2&nbsp;&nbsp; 3&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; x2Monk&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 3&nbsp;&nbsp; 3&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 4&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; x0.1Paladin&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 2&nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 3&nbsp;&nbsp; 3&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; x0.5Ranger&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 2&nbsp;&nbsp; 3&nbsp;&nbsp; 2&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 3&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; x0.5Rogue&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 4&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 3&nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp;&nbsp; 2&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; x2Sorcerer&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 2&nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 7&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; x1Wizard&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 2&nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp;&nbsp; 7&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; x1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; STR DEX CON INT WIS CHR (after rarity modifier)Barbarian&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.5 0.2 0.2&nbsp; 0&nbsp; 0.1&nbsp; 0Bard&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 3&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 2&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 5Cleric&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 4&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp; 10&nbsp;&nbsp; 6Druid&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; 1.5&nbsp; 1&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp; 2.5&nbsp; 0Fighter&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 10&nbsp;&nbsp; 4&nbsp;&nbsp; 6&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 0Monk&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 0.3 0.3&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp; 0.4&nbsp; 0Paladin&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 1&nbsp; 0.5 0.5&nbsp; 0&nbsp; 1.5 1.5Ranger&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp; 1.5&nbsp; 1&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp; 1.5&nbsp; 0Rogue&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 8&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 6&nbsp;&nbsp; 2&nbsp;&nbsp; 4Sorcerer&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 2&nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 7Wizard&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 2&nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp;&nbsp; 7&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 0[/color][/CODE]There will be roughly 1,166.7 people with a 16+ in each attribute. Using the above as a straight list of proportions for each class, I get the following numbers (and % of total population) of each:Barbarian: 78 (0.0078%)Bard: 556 (0.0556%)Cleric: 1,264 (0.1263%)Druid: 317 (0.0317%)Fighter: 1,591 (0.1591%)Monk: 68 (0.0068%)Paladin: 328 (0.0328%)Ranger: 344 (0.0344%)Rogue: 1,201 (0.1201%)Sorcerer: 528 (0.0528%)Wizard: 725 (0.0725%)That looks pretty reasonable. You can multiply that by the Population by Level chart to get how many of a particular class at a particular level, as well. Based on our level breakout, that means we have 52.9 clerics at level 5, of whom 7 need to pick up the plant domain to support the numbers we've generated. Not bad!Applying urbanization: At 15%, the urban population is 150,000. This includes ANY specialist who does not directly contribute to agricultural production, so all PC classes are considered &quot;urban&quot; even if they are a Fighter who protects his farming community from attack.Population Centers:Largest: 30,000 (metropolis)2nd: 15,000 (large city)3rd: 10,000 (small city)4th: 7,500 (small city)5th: 6,000 (small city)6th: 5,000 (small city/large town)The remaining 76,500 are in towns, villages, hamlets and thorps.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="seasong, post: 755867, member: 5137"] Please forgive me if I step on any toes. This is a topic I've been playing with as well, and I wanted to share some of my results. [b]My Assumptions and Results[/b] [b]Level:[/b] Age 0-11 is level 0; age 12-13 is level 1 (apprentice); age 14-15 is level 2 (senior apprentice/journeyman); age 16-17 is level 3 (full journeyman, max skill +10, 2-3 feats); each 2 years thereafter represents a level (see CR assumptions, below). [b]CR:[/b] People tend to face threats in GROUPS; those best suited to facing threats are brought together to face those threats; the highest level people are highly mobile and imminently capable of finding and attacking the threats best suited to them; threats (like most ecologies) tend to rarify the higher they are, just like the population numbers. People tend to face 3-10 threats in the course of a year (of +/- 2 CRs to their level), based on the dangerousness of the D&D default worlds. The survival rate for this is pretty good (49 deaths per 1,000 people of a given age) due to organization and the fact that a CR of level+1 or lower is generally non-lethal against groups. AT AGE 13 AND LOWER, I assumed a death rate of only 5 per 1,000 people, assuming (rather optimistically) that they would generally be better protected and closer to mundane death rates (stillbirths and sickly births are ignored as part of a reduced birthrate). AT AGE 72 AND UP, adventuring STOPS; everytime I ran this, the death rate went through the roof when combined with the 2d20 roll, lost attributes (D&D's aging rules) and CR deaths combined - people who continue to fight past age 71 die quick, so the assumption is that they are reserved for emergences. This restricts levels to level 30. [b]Urbanization:[/b] If we assume that [i]plant growth[/i] is not an urban multiplier (I think it is, but that's a whole 'nother controversy ;)), it should at the very least result in a maximized normal urban population (as if for extremely fertile and efficient farmland). That's about 15% urbanization (150 people out of every 1,000 total population are urban). A single level 5 cleric with [i]plant growth[/i] with WIS 16 and the Plant Domain can, over the course of a year, cover 1,250 square miles (150,000 total population at a land density of 60). So we need seven 5th level or higher clerics per million people in the numbers below. With a 1,000,000 population, here is the rough breakdown by level: level 0 (0-11) - 347,512 (34.75%) level 1 - 61,151 (6.12%) level 2 - 56,588 (5.66%) level 3 - 51,178 (5.12%) level 4 - 46,285 (4.63%) level 5 - 41,861 (4.19%) level 6 - 37,859 (3.79%) level 7 - 34,239 (3.42%) level 8 - 30,966 (3.10%) level 9 - 28,006 (2.80%) level 10 - 25,329 (2.53%) level 11 - 22,907 (2.29%) level 12 - 20,717 (2.07%) level 13 - 18,737 (1.87%) level 14 - 16,945 (1.69%) level 15 - 15,326 (1.53%) level 16 - 13,860 (1.39%) level 17 - 12,535 (1.25%) level 18 - 11,337 (1.13%) level 19 - 10,253 (1.03%) level 20 - 9,273 (0.93%) level 21 - 8,387 (0.84%) level 22 - 7,585 (0.76%) level 23 - 6,860 (0.69%) level 24 - 6,204 (0.62%) level 25 - 5,611 (0.56%) level 26 - 5,074 (0.51%) level 27 - 4,589 (0.46%) level 28 - 4,151 (0.42%) level 29 - 3,754 (0.38%) level 30 - 3,395 (0.34%) level 30 geezer - 31,528 (3.15%) [b]Class Distribution:[/b] On a 3d6 distribution, 46,296.3 people will have one attribute of 16+. Of those, 7,001.6 will have a 12+ in 2 other attributes. I'll mark that as "PC classes". Everyone else consists of "NPC classes". Here's my rough PC class ratings: [CODE][color=skyblue] STR DEX CON INT WIS CHR Rarity Modifier Barbarian 5 2 2 0 1 0 x0.1 Bard 0 3 0 2 0 5 x1 Cleric 0 0 2 0 5 3 x2 Druid 0 3 2 0 5 0 x0.5 Fighter 5 2 3 0 0 0 x2 Monk 3 3 0 0 4 0 x0.1 Paladin 2 1 1 0 3 3 x0.5 Ranger 2 3 2 0 3 0 x0.5 Rogue 0 4 0 3 1 2 x2 Sorcerer 0 2 1 0 0 7 x1 Wizard 0 2 1 7 0 0 x1 STR DEX CON INT WIS CHR (after rarity modifier) Barbarian 0.5 0.2 0.2 0 0.1 0 Bard 0 3 0 2 0 5 Cleric 0 0 4 0 10 6 Druid 0 1.5 1 0 2.5 0 Fighter 10 4 6 0 0 0 Monk 0.3 0.3 0 0 0.4 0 Paladin 1 0.5 0.5 0 1.5 1.5 Ranger 1 1.5 1 0 1.5 0 Rogue 0 8 0 6 2 4 Sorcerer 0 2 1 0 0 7 Wizard 0 2 1 7 0 0[/color][/CODE] There will be roughly 1,166.7 people with a 16+ in each attribute. Using the above as a straight list of proportions for each class, I get the following numbers (and % of total population) of each: Barbarian: 78 (0.0078%) Bard: 556 (0.0556%) Cleric: 1,264 (0.1263%) Druid: 317 (0.0317%) Fighter: 1,591 (0.1591%) Monk: 68 (0.0068%) Paladin: 328 (0.0328%) Ranger: 344 (0.0344%) Rogue: 1,201 (0.1201%) Sorcerer: 528 (0.0528%) Wizard: 725 (0.0725%) That looks pretty reasonable. You can multiply that by the Population by Level chart to get how many of a particular class at a particular level, as well. Based on our level breakout, that means we have 52.9 clerics at level 5, of whom 7 need to pick up the plant domain to support the numbers we've generated. Not bad! [b]Applying urbanization:[/b] At 15%, the urban population is 150,000. This includes ANY specialist who does not directly contribute to agricultural production, so all PC classes are considered "urban" even if they are a Fighter who protects his farming community from attack. Population Centers: Largest: 30,000 (metropolis) 2nd: 15,000 (large city) 3rd: 10,000 (small city) 4th: 7,500 (small city) 5th: 6,000 (small city) 6th: 5,000 (small city/large town) The remaining 76,500 are in towns, villages, hamlets and thorps. [/QUOTE]

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