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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7828982" data-attributes="member: 996">Tantamount to swimming from Götaland to Denmark, huh?&nbsp;That's a reasonable qualitative description of the more quantitative LFQW, sure.&nbsp;Dumbledore is an ex post facto archetype, anyway. But, really,&nbsp; D&amp;D casters rapidly outstrip their genre predecessors. &quot;Gandalf was a 5th level magic-user,&quot; no spell he cast 'on screen' was beyond the reach of an old-school MU5. 2e PH called out Circe as an archetype - she only displayed Polymorph Other.The issue with D&amp;D modeling examples of caster archetypes is explaining away why they use such a narrow range of spells.&nbsp;&nbsp; Aragorn was notoriously modeled by the spell-casting Ranger, because even using a rare herb in healing,&nbsp; or having a royal lineage, in D&amp;D,&nbsp; apparently called for casting.Conan has always been a bit difficult, depending on the vision of him.The REH-pastiche-of-the-60s Conan, a loinclothed bodybuilder atop a pile of dead bad guys, was problematic for his lack of armor in most eds, but able to mow through lesser foes, in the TSR era so long as they were 0-level, in 3e via WWA or Great Cleave, in 4e via exploits such as those, and C&amp;GI, Reapers Stance, etc - and minions, of course. 5e makes the unarmored 'DEX' fighter more practical, but not likely to be much of a bodybuilder - and BA makes building that pile of dead bad guys problematic. Sure,&nbsp; without magic, a D&amp;D Fighter can presumably chop the head off a corpse, and a DM might narrate instant death from massive damage that way.&nbsp; But, to cut(pi) straight to decapitation he'll need a magical Vorpal Sword.And, under 5e BA, it's tricky to single-handedly kill 10 of anything, one at a time - but can be possible to blow 'em up all at once.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 7828982, member: 996"] Tantamount to swimming from Götaland to Denmark, huh? That's a reasonable qualitative description of the more quantitative LFQW, sure. Dumbledore is an ex post facto archetype, anyway. But, really, D&D casters rapidly outstrip their genre predecessors. "Gandalf was a 5th level magic-user," no spell he cast 'on screen' was beyond the reach of an old-school MU5. 2e PH called out Circe as an archetype - she only displayed Polymorph Other. The issue with D&D modeling examples of caster archetypes is explaining away why they use such a narrow range of spells. Aragorn was notoriously modeled by the spell-casting Ranger, because even using a rare herb in healing, or having a royal lineage, in D&D, apparently called for casting. Conan has always been a bit difficult, depending on the vision of him. The REH-pastiche-of-the-60s Conan, a loinclothed bodybuilder atop a pile of dead bad guys, was problematic for his lack of armor in most eds, but able to mow through lesser foes, in the TSR era so long as they were 0-level, in 3e via WWA or Great Cleave, in 4e via exploits such as those, and C&GI, Reapers Stance, etc - and minions, of course. 5e makes the unarmored 'DEX' fighter more practical, but not likely to be much of a bodybuilder - and BA makes building that pile of dead bad guys problematic. Sure, without magic, a D&D Fighter can presumably chop the head off a corpse, and a DM might narrate instant death from massive damage that way. But, to cut(pi) straight to decapitation he'll need a magical Vorpal Sword. And, under 5e BA, it's tricky to single-handedly kill 10 of anything, one at a time - but can be possible to blow 'em up all at once. [/QUOTE]

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