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<blockquote data-quote="NotAYakk" data-source="post: 7829958" data-attributes="member: 72555">I'm going to throw a shoe in here.1. This is a fix to the Champion fighter.2. It is not balanced against other fighter subclasses.3. The Champion fighter must remain simple to build, and simple to play.4. The 5 minute adventuring day is a problem for the Champion fighter.5. Save-or-suck/lose is a problem for the Champion fighter.&nbsp; They have little to mitigate it.6. Flying, invisibility, hiding, and other ways that shut-down the Champion fighter being able to attack are a problem for the Champion fighter.---Level 3 gives you some &quot;5 minute&quot; day power; being able to burn HD with Second Wind.You constantly gain more saves, until at level 15 you are proficient in all saves.&nbsp; This mirrors the OD&amp;D &quot;fighters have the best saves&quot;.Level 7's improved Proficiency shores up your utility a bit.&nbsp; The jump rules get extended significantly, so you can match or exceed Olympic feats of jumping.An additional fighting style at 10 was boring.&nbsp; So now you get a super-dodge with second wind (this also shores up 5 minute adventuring day power).I'm focusing on defence rather than offence, as fighter DPR was already fine.Level 15, we play with advantage/disadvantage on top of the existing 18-20 crit range.Never suffering disadvantage is a really neat mechanic -- Frightened, Prone, Exhasted?&nbsp; Still can make attacks.&nbsp; This is mostly a defensive ability.The advantage trigger is to deal with &quot;why not just ignore the fighter&quot;.&nbsp; You get an alpha-strike if you win initiative, and after that the enemy has to connect in order to make you less scary.&nbsp; It is a taunt-less tanking mechanic.18 was an ok ability, but it was a level 18 ability.&nbsp; It competes with level 9 spell access.&nbsp; (spellcaster cantrip scaling is automatic, and is what the 4th attack competes with).So we get a 2nd second wind, with both shores up 5 minute adventuring days and boosts durability even more.&nbsp; Then we add in the ability to &quot;sidestep&quot; attacks and spells; this is a very tactical ability, as staying &quot;near cover&quot; can make the difference between shrugging off a save-or-die and death.So now, a 10 charisma fighter has a +6 save bonus, makes saves with advantage if they have used their second wind, and can force a reroll 1x if they can shift to cover and then another time with indomitable.Against a DC 25 effect, that is almost a 50% save chance.&nbsp; Against a DC 20 effect, a 73% chance to save.&nbsp; A DC 15, 94% chance to save (assuming nearby cover and indomitable)Before, it was ~50% at DC 15, ~10% at DC 20+.The only offence boost I gave the class was the level 15 &quot;threat&quot; ability, and really good grappling.&nbsp; Everything else is utility, endurance and defence.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="NotAYakk, post: 7829958, member: 72555"] I'm going to throw a shoe in here. 1. This is a fix to the Champion fighter. 2. It is not balanced against other fighter subclasses. 3. The Champion fighter must remain simple to build, and simple to play. 4. The 5 minute adventuring day is a problem for the Champion fighter. 5. Save-or-suck/lose is a problem for the Champion fighter. They have little to mitigate it. 6. Flying, invisibility, hiding, and other ways that shut-down the Champion fighter being able to attack are a problem for the Champion fighter. --- Level 3 gives you some "5 minute" day power; being able to burn HD with Second Wind. You constantly gain more saves, until at level 15 you are proficient in all saves. This mirrors the OD&D "fighters have the best saves". Level 7's improved Proficiency shores up your utility a bit. The jump rules get extended significantly, so you can match or exceed Olympic feats of jumping. An additional fighting style at 10 was boring. So now you get a super-dodge with second wind (this also shores up 5 minute adventuring day power). I'm focusing on defence rather than offence, as fighter DPR was already fine. Level 15, we play with advantage/disadvantage on top of the existing 18-20 crit range. Never suffering disadvantage is a really neat mechanic -- Frightened, Prone, Exhasted? Still can make attacks. This is [I]mostly[/I] a defensive ability. The advantage trigger is to deal with "why not just ignore the fighter". You get an alpha-strike if you win initiative, and after that the enemy has to [B]connect[/B] in order to make you less scary. It is a taunt-less tanking mechanic. 18 was an ok ability, but it was a level 18 ability. It competes with level 9 spell access. (spellcaster cantrip scaling is automatic, and is what the 4th attack competes with). So we get a 2nd second wind, with both shores up 5 minute adventuring days and boosts durability even more. Then we add in the ability to "sidestep" attacks and spells; this is a very tactical ability, as staying "near cover" can make the difference between shrugging off a save-or-die and death. So now, a 10 charisma fighter has a +6 save bonus, makes saves with advantage if they have used their second wind, and can force a reroll 1x if they can shift to cover and then another time with indomitable. Against a DC 25 effect, that is almost a 50% save chance. Against a DC 20 effect, a 73% chance to save. A DC 15, 94% chance to save (assuming nearby cover [I]and[/I] indomitable) Before, it was ~50% at DC 15, ~10% at DC 20+. The only offence boost I gave the class was the level 15 "threat" ability, and really good grappling. Everything else is utility, endurance and defence. [/QUOTE]

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