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<blockquote data-quote="TheCosmicKid" data-source="post: 7830168" data-attributes="member: 6683613">I get that this issue is your bugbear, but I don't think it's material here. What matters is that players have qualitatively different expectations of Conan's capabilities and Heracles' capabilities, not their source.Well, yeah, but that's not what we're talking about here, either. Conan isn't low level. I'd expect him to be able to party up with a character like Heracles and hold his own. Heracles was an Argonaut, remember, but didn't steal the show from all the other heroes there. Another case study might be found in the team of Inigo Montoya and Fezzik: a fighter with fairly mundane physical abilities but a great deal of skill paired with a man of prodigious size and strength, able to accomplish very different things but presented by the narrative as approximately equal in capability and the threat the pose to the Man in Black. Also note that, based on the nature of the adventure and the challenges they face, these guys are good examples of low- to mid-level characters, so Fezzik in particular can be seen as what a Heracles might look like in such adventures.I think it's exactly what it needs to be to be the Good With Weapons Guy. There's no need to change or obviate that. But you're right that if you try to make Heracles with it you're asking too much of it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="TheCosmicKid, post: 7830168, member: 6683613"] I get that this issue is your bugbear, but I don't think it's material here. What matters is that players have qualitatively different expectations of Conan's capabilities and Heracles' capabilities, not their source. Well, yeah, but that's not what we're talking about here, either. Conan [I]isn't[/I] low level. I'd expect him to be able to party up with a character like Heracles and hold his own. Heracles was an Argonaut, remember, but didn't steal the show from all the other heroes there. Another case study might be found in the team of Inigo Montoya and Fezzik: a fighter with fairly mundane physical abilities but a great deal of skill paired with a man of prodigious size and strength, able to accomplish very different things but presented by the narrative as approximately equal in capability and the threat the pose to the Man in Black. Also note that, based on the nature of the adventure and the challenges they face, these guys are good examples of low- to mid-level characters, so Fezzik in particular can be seen as what a Heracles might look like in such adventures. I think it's exactly what it needs to be to be the Good With Weapons Guy. There's no need to change or obviate that. But you're right that if you try to make Heracles with it you're asking too much of it. [/QUOTE]

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